Re: Don't buy into pre-orders for Apple II products

[Ivan X <ivan@ivanx.com>]

On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:22:57 PM UTC-4, Michael Black wrote:
> On Tue, 7 May 2013, Raymond Wiker wrote:
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> > Michael Black writes:
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> >> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Conrad wrote:
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> >>> You are right that there is no blame on anyone but myself and others
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> >>> are not at fault for complaining that things are behind schedule or
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> >>> that I was sporradic with communication. I do find it interesting
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> >>> that you say I am the only one profiting from this venture... For
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> >>> one I already said I'm taking a small loss on each card but for the
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> >>> sake of arguement let's say I'm breaking even. That's not taking a
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> >>> profit... Even putting finance aside though, wouldn't the community
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> >>> profit from new accelerators being available? I'm not trying to get
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> >>> into an arguement with you or provoke you, I'm just trying to
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> >>> understand why you'd say that...
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> >> This isn't google.
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> >> It's not obvious who you are talking to, since you haven't bothered
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> >> quoting whoever you are replying to.  Just because at google
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> >> everything is on the same page and likely in threaded sequence doesn't
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> >> mean everyone sees it that way.
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> >> You just come across as talking to yourself when you don't quote.
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> >>    Michael
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> > Ever heard of the "In-Reply-To:" header? Any worthy NNTP client should be
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> > able to locate the parent post using this header.
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> Why should I have to go looking?  The idiots using google can't be 
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> bothered quoting, yet there's a reason why quoting has been a part of 
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> usenet practically forever.
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> It used to be you could tell who was posting from WebTV, they too lacked 
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> any quoting.  My reaction to that was to ignore such messages, dimiss them 
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> as village idiots (and it never helped that the same non-quoting posters 
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> often seemed to post quite a bit yet have very little to say).
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> Now it's happening with google.  And it's made worse because not only is 
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> it easy for people using google to reply without quoting, but google still 
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> hasn't fixed the bug that allows replies to messages older than 30 days.
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> So we get replies to 15 year old messages and without quoting there is 
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> absolutely no context.  The only reason it's easy to tell such messages is 
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> because they aren't replying to a message that currently exists.
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> I'm tired of the idiots using google.  They complain about spam by 
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> changing subject headers and then leaving the message empty, which works 
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> fine if you're viewing usenet at google but it's only trash for the rest 
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> of us.  This is on top of the fact that the spam they see may only be at 
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> google, with the good newsservers already keeping out that spam.  I'm 
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> tired of seeing these replies to old messages, real cluelessness on the 
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> part of the posters who reply to old messages.  I'm tired of seeing 
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> messages that don't use any quoting and it's now pretty much coming from 
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> google.
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> I'm tired of how google gets to define usenet.
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>    Michael

You can be tired of it all you want, and I think Google's influence over the internet as a whole is a much bigger problem, but you are one of about six people left still using an NNTP client. This is no doubt because very few (any?) ISP's still provide an NNTP server. (Calling my cable company and asking for that info would be amusing. Hello? Level 3 support? Newswatcher doesn't work! What? BUT IT USED TO WORK!)

And it's not as if there was ever an established standard as to exactly how a Usenet client should reply, quote, thread, etc. I don't like the Google UE for anything they do, but it exists as a means of accessing csa2, I don't have to pay for it (other than letting them mine all of my personal information, of course). And Google quotes replies by default, so I don't even know what you're talking about.

None of us like it when things we like change, but you can pretty much count on it happening. Damn, four years ago our favorite diner that had been there 45 years or something closed with almost no notice and it's left a hole in our hearts that will never be filled. That's a far greater tragedy than that these kids today don't know how to use the internet properly, like we did back before the web ruined everything.