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Re: Another idea for outputting to VGA/DVI/HDMI



On 3/23/2013 9:04 PM, Sheldon Simms wrote:
On 2013-03-23 23:48:19 +0000, Charlie said:

On 3/23/2013 7:01 PM, Sheldon Simms wrote:
On 2013-03-23 20:53:33 +0000, Charlie said:

The problem with any card that uses data from the slot bus is the
inability to synchronize with the Apple video output. This is the way
the Carte Blanche works and I'm pretty sure the Second-Sight card
worked in a similar way (although I've never seen one). The Carte
Blanche output visually is quite good although it doesn't have the
NTSC look. This works well with most video but because of the lack of
synchronization, programs that rely on timing with Vertical Blanking
or interrupting to change palettes, modes, etc. don't do well.

By the way sampling the bus doesn't have to be that fast. The Carte
Blanche does it a 50MHz.

50 Mhz is plenty fast enough, I was just wondering whether the
Beaglebone can do it that fast.

I agree, you probably only need to sample it faster than the Apple
writes it which, of course, is much slower.

Video sync is a solvable problem. Either take the signal where it is
available (IIe slot 7, etc.)

That would probably work with a //e but unfortunately not with a IIgs
because the M2B0 signal is needed for the SHR graphics modes and M2B0
is not available on slot 7 (and the pin used for it in the other slots
is used by CREF).
I may try my hand at soldering a wire to connect the Sync signal to
the Carte Blanche slot just to see how it works. I can't picture many
people wanting to do this though.

or write a program that will allow the VGA
card/software to sync.

Do you mean a program on the Apple II? I don't see how you could do
that without interfering with other programs.

Yes, an Apple II program you would run to allow the BeagleBone/VGA Card
to sync. Once it's synced it can stay synced as long as it's powered. So
you would run the sync program once and then you could do whatever you
wanted while remaining synced until you powered down.


Once the program synced the video you would still have to do something to keep it in sync, possibly count cycles of one of the clocks available on the slot bus. Whatever clock is used on the BeagleBone/VGA card to derive the VGA clock can't be counted on to be exactly the same as (or multiple of) the Apple.

Charlie