Re: vogons vs Users

["Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com>]

Hiya, Bob. 

*>In article <200007232007.QAA15058@anon.cotse.com>,
 *>  "Quantum_Cat" <anonymous@cotse.com> wrote:
 *>>
 *>>  *>Anti-pirates  "You should find software in the used 
market
 *>> or go without it"
 *>>
 *>> Who are you quoting here?  Some straw man?

 *>The general opinion of anti-pirates.  Yeah, get freeware 
and shareware from
 *>the legal sites.  Get non-reclassified software from the 
used market or go
 *>without it.

At risk of bloating your ego, I'll agree that I share this 
opinion with "anti-pirates".

 *>> First, you've over-simplified it so much that it no 
longer
 *>> makes a valid analogy.

 *>Too simple for your simple mind?  geez.

The point is, you ignore the alternatives of freeware/
shareware programs available that fulfill darn near every 
need as it is.  But then, Asimov wasn't really packed with 
life saving programs that every Apple II user NEEDS.  It was 
mostly games.  

Sort of lame claiming that you should be free to steal those 
because they fulfill some important need.

 *>you've got some invalid crud in posts yourself.  Do you 
even follow the
 *>threads you post all this garbage to?

You may not have noticed, but I address most every point in 
every post I respond to.  Do feel free to call me on any 
errors I make.  I certainly will on yours. 

 *>> There are hundreds of megabytes of legally released 
software,
 *>> freeware and shareware out there for the Apple II.  You 
would
 *>> not have to search very far to find legal means to 
fulfill
 *>> your mythical task.

 *>My mythical task?  whatever.

I keep hearing about this "need", and how "useful" stealing 
software is to the 
Apple II user.  Judging from the contents of most ftp pirate 
sites, it's games.  Deny it or shrug it off if you will, but 
the fact remains that for all your whining, you just want 
something to play with.

 *>> Well, you do have a point here.  It's NOT downloadable 
from
 *>> the Bernie site per se (lordy!  I'm turning Rubyesque!),
 *>> since the link points offsite and that site is down.

 *>Yeah, you are turning "Rubyesque" as you call it.  It is 
downloadable from
 *>the Bernie site.  Now you're a liar too.

No, you're mistaken, Bob.  It's NOT.  Try it.  Asimov has 
been down for months.  You don't have to take my word for it.  
Try it.  Why don't I think I'll get an apology from you?

 *>So you say "ITS NOT OK TO PIRATE, BUT LINKING TO PIRATE 
SITES IS AOK! GREAT!
 *>ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO USE THE NEATO EMULATOR THAT **I*
*
 *>USE"........Thats hypocrisy if I've ever seen it.

No I DON'T say, Bob.  Putting words in my mouth may please 
others of your ilk, but it's just another one of your 
fabrications.  I assure you, my ROM copy is from my GS.  So.  
Wanna think up some more lies in the meantime?

 *>Child porn is disgusting and illegal, but it's okay to 
link to child porn
 *>sites from your own.  Yeah right.

You build straw men faster than anyone I know.  Furthermore, 
I have no interest in your hobbies.  ;)

 *>> Now where is that newspaper?.. (*rolls it up to swat 
Bernie*)

 *>While you're swatting Bernie, you might let him know that 
he links to a well
 *>known pirate site, and it is illegal to download 
copyrighted material.  Or
 *>you might have him show proof of Apple INC.s permission 
and upload the ROM
 *>to his site, but he hasn't already done that. Pirate!

I think he knows.  ;)

 *>>  *>"its too hard, takes too much time".  Yeah, finding 
used
 *>> software is hard to
 *>>  *>find and takes alot of time.  Big deal.
 *>>
 *>> Again... WTF are you quoting?  And what's your point?  
It
 *>> seems to have evaporated.

 *>WTF?  You kiss your mom with that mouth?  The "pirates" 
make the argument
 *>that it takes alot of time to find used software, and you 
may never find it.
 *>They say that you should be able to download it.

OK.  You throw these quotes around like an incoherent 
Dorktor, so it's difficult to follow your point.

 *>ROM's may be hard to find too (yeah right.   go find a 
$2.00 paper- weight
 *>apple IIe and take the 20 minutes to transfer the ROM to 
your emulator). 
 *>They shouldn't be available for download.

Sigh.. That IS the law, Bob.

 *>It is hillarious that people pirate one thing and then get 
all bent out of
 *>shape when someone else pirates something else.

You're painting a lot of folks with a very big brush here, 
Bob.  You jump on F.E. Systems for their link, and suddenly, 
without evidence or anything, you've pulled everyone else who 
disagrees with you into the fray.  Dishonest, Bob.

 *>>  *>When it suits your purpose it is ok to pirate, but if
 *>> others do it and you
 *>>  *>don't agreee with their purpose, it is not.
 *>>
 *>> Bob.... It's -ILLEGAL- to pirate.  It's against the law.  
The
 *>> Copyright owner has rights protecting his property 
should he/
 *>> her choose to press the matter.

 *>Wow, thanks for the enlightenment.  I've only read it here 
500 times in the
 *>last month.

You're welcome.  I've know dense people like you all my life, 
and sometimes you just have to keep repeating the facts to 
them until something clicks.  ;)

 *>I am referring to the thought process of those who let you 
download ROMS
 *>from their site.  IE, the Bernie people. To them it is ok 
to pirate the
 *>ROMS.  But then the Bernie programmers (erase that s) come 
to this newsgroup
 *>and post anti-piracy messages.  Its funny!

I suppose.  I'm not familiar with which messages you're 
referring to, but I'll give Deja a shot.  Sorry if I don't 
trust you, but you've lied before.

 *> > This straw man "you" have created would indeed be a 
pirate.
 *>> As blatant and disgusting as your typical Turlette?  No.

 *>Come on, just because someone may or may not be a friend 
of Mr. Turley
 *>doesn't make him any worse than any other pirate.  I know 
I cannot convince
 *>you of this because to your this is battle against one 
man, not a battle
 *>against piracy.

The Dorktor has been a thorn in the sides of Apple II 
developers for years.  Sure, my battle is with him.  His main 
claim to infamy is his piracy.  So addressing piracy and 
slinging arrows at him are synonymous.

As for you and the other Turlettes, "If you lie down with 
dogs, you'll get up with fleas."

If you want to be cheerleaders for Tom, expect opposition.  
Just deal with it, OK?

 *>You have logic just as twisted as "ruby", "tom", and the 
"turlettes". They
 *>do something and *think* its okay, and have arguments that 
try to prove why
 *>its okay.

Yeah, and us vogons have posted the URL to the .pdf file that 
contains the Copyright Act.  That trumped their "logic".  
Read it and weep, Bob.

 *>You think pirating ROMS is OK.  Piracy is Piracy.

Heh... You've stripped a few gears here, Bob.  Go back in the 
thread and read where I agreed that downloading ROMs is 
illegal.  Putting these words in my mouth is simply another 
lie on your part.  (it's that rolled up newspaper)

 *>>  *>Downloading copyrighted software AND ROM images is
 *>> illegal.  Pirates!
 *>>
 *>> The light has come on?  You haven't fallen for 
RosyWanker's
 *>> Lie?  Cool!

 *>So you agree that downloading ROMS is illegal?  

Yes.

 *>But you think it's okay?  heh he

No.  Heh he  ;)

 *>The light was never off.  I feel so much better now that 
Quantum_crap says
 *>'cool!' in reply to my post.  I've gained the approval of 
a pussy

Well, it was a hard decision on my part, but I'm trying to 
prevent you from becoming a bigger asshole.  ;)

 *>(insert "no, you don't have my approval" from quantum.crap 
here)

Hmmm?

 *>> But if you think us vogons are going to cringe while you
 *>> pound on your little straw man, you have another thing 
to
 *>> think about.

 *>You refer to yourself as a vogon.  Thats a funny name!  
Little straw man, I
 *>don't know where you got that from. I'm not pounding on 
anybody.  You
 *>'vogons' (since you admit you are in a group called the 
vogons) think it's
 *>okay to pirate ROMS but nothing else.  this is a load of 
crap.

Ah.. There's Bob's Big Brush again.  The straw man you've 
built is this "vogons think it's okay to pirate ROMS"....  
Figment, or fabrication on your part.  Why don't you present 
some evidence to back up your fib, Bob?

 *>I don't hope your cringe.  You should just leave.  Your 
battle is against 2
 *>people.  Rubywand and Mr. Turley.  Why don't you take the 
battle up in
 *>email?

Because then I'm miss the rest of you Turlettes.  ;)

 *>> Copying ROMS from machines you don't own is illegal.  
But to
 *>> equate a one time download with the blatant and 
unrepentant

 *>If you kill one person, it's AOK.  

And how does that follow in your twisted little logic?  I 
thought we were in agreement that the act of copying ROMS you 
didn't own was illegal.

Now you set up yet another straw man the misrepresents my 
position.  I'm losing patience with you, Bob.  You're simply 
spewing lie after lie.  Repent!  ;)

To set your derailed mind back on track, it's NOT "AOK".  
It's BAD!

 *>If you go on a murderous rampage and kill 5 people, BAD!  
BAD! 

Yep.
 
 *>hah ha ahh hah .  YOu are funny!  Your lack of following 
your own 
 *>preaching is funny.

Hmmm... You DID finish school, didn't you, Bob?  You 
certainly missed every point I've made.  If your entire 
argument is going to consist of putting words in my mouth, 
then claiming victory, folks will recognise you for a dolt.

 *>It's okay to molest one child, but if you do it to more 
than one, your are a
 *>child molester.  your logic is twisted

Stringing even MORE false analogies into a post adds nothing 
to the truth of the argument between us, Bob.

Please use your head for something more than a plaything for 
your rectum, OK?

 *>> distribution of hundreds of megs of commercial software 
is
 *>> quite a long stretch.  But you Turlettes have lots of
 *>> practice stretching the truth.  ;)

 *>I'm not taking sides here.  I am saying both the Vogons 
and the Turlettes
 *>are pirates.  

Well, I know that's what you claim.  I don't recall anyone 
else using the term vogon to describe themselves but me, and 
you haven't presented any evidence that the Bernie guys 
regard themselves as such, or that any other vogons are 
indeed pirates.  Given your current record, I'd bet you're 
lying.

 *>Both the Vogons and the Turlettes need to leave, and we 
can
 *>sell our Apple II's to people to use as doorstops.

How convenient of you to forget the hundreds of megabytes of 
freeware/shareware that make our Apple II's fun.  You're 
argument is falling apart here, Bob.

 *>vogons pirate roms turlettes pirate software

 *>It's okay to pirate roms, but not software.

Bald assertions and lies.  Typical Turlette.

 *>If we had a group of people in the a2 community that 
designed hardware and
 *>programmed the ROMS for the apple II, then you vogons 
wouldn't be getting
 *>much hardware.  

Uh...  You really didn't give that last sentence much 
thought, did you, Bob.  ;)

 *>They'd all call you ROM pirates (which you are) and you
 *>wouldn't get new stuff when it came out.  

Repeating a lie doesn't make it any more true, Bob.  ;)

 *>Same way the 'vogons' create software and don't let csa2 
readers get it.

Hmmm....  I'd guess this is just some kind of Red Herring, 
but I don't think I'll chase it.  Not a very good conclusion 
to your argument, Bob.

 *>Bob

Vogons For a Turlette Free Apple II Community!

Quantum_Cat