Allen: Read Rubywand's post for the straight poop, but if you determine it IS a Mockingboard, and you decide need the manual, box and install software... I happen to have them but no card. Amazing what one can scrounge up what? Got anything Grovvy to trade? ;-) -Bart -- IAMbarpri IAMat IAMteleport IAMdot IAMcom duas unica in puncta mortalis est