Thanks to everyone for the hard drive advice. I turned it on, and gave it a much harder whack than I normally would. It spun up. Good deal, thanks a lot. Now if dealing with Missouri (or is that misery?) were that easy.... Happy holidays folks - nice to see old friends here. Beverly Cadieux TEXAS II an international newsletter for users of AppleWorks(R) on the Apple IIe, IIc, and IIGS computer