Re: not enough real programmers? (was Re: Byte Magazine: 18 Vintage issues, 1985-1986)

["Keatah@worldnet.att.net" <Keatah@worldnet.att.net>]

A business will never over-engineer their products. They want the most
from the least. And when it comes to quality vs. quantity, they will
TELL you and do plenty of stuff you make you believe quality comes
first.. I.e. lie right to your face. When in reality its
quantity/profit, as so clearly demonstrated in monthly meetings.

Crap, why is it taking you people so long to see this shit now?!? It's
taught in management pre-school for goddsakes..




Victoria Welch wrote:
> 
> Ian Thompson Bell wrote:
> >
> > Howard S Shubs wrote:
> >
> > > .
> > >
> > > These days, I don't believe in overtime unless it's -very- rare, paid or not.
> > > I've got a contractor mentality; unpaid work time is a contradiction in terms.
> > > --
> > > Howard S Shubs
> >
> > Then you will never progress far.  Unpaid work is a contradiction in terms but you
> > need to realise that payment comes in many forms.
> 
> My point and I think Howards is that there was (in my/our experience) NO
> compensation for it, unless you consider continual harrasment and demand
> for more to be compensation.  12 - 16+ hours a day on a continual basis
> IS abusive and detrimental to rational organizational goals (this is
> where burned out people come from).  Sure, it saves the company a lot of
> money, but they sure do not get much quality from exhausted and stressed
> out workers.
> 
> IF there had been any compensation in any form for it, I probably would
> not be upset about it.  I got a *LOT* of promises and absolutely NO
> follow up on those promises.
> 
> In case you misses it in my original post, I left after 150 hours of
> completely un-remunerated overtime (which, BTW is illegal in this state,
> something they have no concerns about and do continually).  I was not
> the only one getting this kind of abuse and mine was not as bad as
> some.  I could certainly see the results in the pathetic quality of
> their products and "services".
> 
> Your response seems to be a typical management response here.  Or erhaps
> you work at some place where the employees are compensated in some form
> and not continually run into the ground and discarded.  Major difference
> to what I experienced.
> 
> Take care, Vikki.
> --
> Victoria Welch, WV9K, DoD#-13, Net/Sys/WebAdmin SeaStar.org,
> vikki.oz.net
> "Walking on water and developing software to specification are
> easy as long as both are frozen" - Edward V. Berard.
> Do not unto others, that which you would not have others do unto you.