Re: Pirates of Silicon Valley

[mpike@nmia.com (Mike Pike)]

Steve:

You are comparing apple's to oranges... you're comparing a PII system with
something that was made over 12 years ago... the processors in personal
computers didn't have the power to do what they do today... what I am
saying is that GSOS - while lacking some of the more modern features of
Win95 - is amazingly done on one disk....

I am a VC++ and VB programmer - you do not need to remind me of the ins
and outs of windows, dll's, api's, etc.  I also do a lot of assembly
language which probably puts me at a few levels above you for "blood and
guts knowledge" to the OS....

I don't hate microsoft.. I use it everyday, and I love it.. I do hoever
recognize that Apple was ahead of it's time for what it could do.... here
is a classic examplle - and this is when I started to appreciate apple...

A couple years ago or so when Apple looked like it was going belly-up, I
went out and tried to get a couple of Mac machines to have for
memorabilia... I went to a flea market and happened to stumble across a
Mac II machine.. I paid $200 bux for it.. it came loaded with software, a
nice monitor, and also a Mac IIci (I think it was.. a rinky dink
machine)..

Anyhow.. I got the Mac II home.. plugged it up to mess around with it...
as I said before I have been an MS/PC head my whole life.. well when I
powered up the Mac II, I could not BELIEVE how much more power it had than
its competition at that time, the PS/2.  I mean the Mac II blew the hell
out of the PS/2 for graphics, sound, and speed!  I mean blew the thing
outta the water....  Hardware may or may not have had something to do with
it... but the OS obviously did.... and at that point I began to respect
Apple for what they had accomplished.

True - I don't think Apple made it easy for the common person to develop
mac apps.. but they had a slick OS.. and once again it was Jobs's
stubborness that killed it.. had he supported developers like MS does
(once again a marketing thing.. give away dev tools, u have more
software), they would have survived longer.... if Jobs has allowed MacOS
to be ported to the IBM/Intel platform - Windows would probably not be
here today...  the bottom line is that there were two PC platforms at
war.. the Mac and the PC.... the Mac had something the PC didn't, and that
was a GUI OS.... the PC had the speed, but no GUI OS.... basically both
machines were equally capable of doing the same job, it was the OS that
made the deciding factor on abilities....  had MacOS been ported to the
PC, the PC would have had a GUI OS as well, and Apple would probably be
today's Microsoft.

Mike


Steve Mentzer (!smentzer@ecom.net) wrote:
: Try deperately, but ultimately failing to sound intelligent, Mike Pike said...
: >
: >I am a PC user... I collect alot of old apple stuff.. the old ]['s //gs,
: >and the like, as well as other machines....
: >
: >I recently obtained a //gs in mint condition with the OS disks... and let
: >me tell you something... Apple did GSOS back in the 80;s and put it on ONE
: >DISK.. 
: 
: Hmmmm..... Here are a few things that *standard* GSOS lacks.
: 
: 	1 - Memory protection.
: 	2 - Multi-tasking
: 	3 - Virtual Memory
: 	4 - Integrated multi-protocol networking.
: 	5 - A ton of simple utility applications 
: 	6 - Integrated web browsing.
: 	7 - A rich GUI feature set
: 	8 - Hardware abstraction.
: 	9 - A software/disk/file based API
: 	10- Enough tool DLL's to make your head spin.
: 
: 	and the list goes on and on and on.....
: 
: All those things eat up disk space... Make GSOS work like Win9x and then come 
: back and talk about OS size. Oh, and remember.... the Windows API is on disk... 
: On a IIgs, it is in ROM...
: 
: (and didn't GSOS v6.0.1 ship on 5 disks????)
: 
: 
: >what Microsoft markets as win98 and puts on a CD.... the *ONLY*
: >reason MS is where it is today, is because Steve jobs was too stubborn to
: >license his OS to other machines... had Apple let the GUI MacOS out to IBM
: >- you would be using Apple's OS on you intel right now....
: >
: 
: And as the demands of desktop applications increased (as they have 
: trememndously under intel/Windoze platforms), the MacOS would have died a slow, 
: painful death....
: 
: The MacOS was not a technical marvel....
: 
: 
: >Gates has not invented anything - he has taken other's ideas, made a few
: >changes, and sold it... Gates is a salesmen, thats the bottom line, he
: >knows how to market, and that's why he is where he is today.
: >
: 
: 
: Doesn't matter. A good salesman is more effective at making money than a 
: techno-nerd. That is why wozniak would have been lost without jobs (and vice 
: versa).
: 
: Money is what it is all about bud..... get used to it.
: 
: smentzer@pacbell.net
: