Hey windows ain't all that bad to use, it's just when you have to go a bit further, a bit below the sirface that the shit really begins to hit the fan! Thats what the IT people are for. As for GSOS and MacOS, they were the building blocks for windows. Who knows wothout the likes of apple, we'd still all be using character displays and TskTsk!! Ms-dos! Jamie jamien@interworx.com.au