Re: Nathan's farewell

[songman@intac.com (Robert Liptak)]

In comp.sys.apple2, godot22@earthlink.net (PJ Killian) writes:
>In article <1998071509141300.FAA28560@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) wrote:
>
>> jim@calico.litterbox.com (Jim) wrote:
>>
>> >Seriously though, between flames (which in the end, sadly, was all he
>> >posted) Nathan did provide a lot of useful information to a lot of people.
>> >While I won't miss the constant nastyness of the last few months, let's
>> >please remember he did contribute.
>>
I will miss Nate especiallyn his FAQ's that are way much better then the 
ones that have taken their place. As with flaming and piratecy of 
software there are just a select few of people who will never get it just 
because Apple stopped supporting the Apple II line doesn't mean every 
program that was ever written for the IIGS is free. It is these same people 
that has disgusted talented people who made great programs for the IIGS. 
Nathan was not the first person who got disgusted and has left the Apple 
II community and stop making brilliant programs. Everyone thinks he has 
gone off the deep end and went crazy but alot of people just don't read 
into the whole picture in the reason why they left the Apple II 
community. It is these same ppeople who talk about trying to save the 
Apple II but they won't lift a finger to do anything they will rather sit 
by shoot their mouths off and let other people do all the work and then 
take credit for it. It is like everything from abortion to racism. Some 
people have nothing better to do they destroy peoples work and think 
every program that comes out is free since it is for a computer platform 
that apple no longer supports. I could go on and on but until these 
certain people leave they will just be a cancer in this community and 
everyone will eventually leave.

>> I agree.  He did contribute and his FAQs were pretty good.  When
>> I first joined csa2, he was actually helpful...before I got a little
>> enthusiastic at which point the famous Nathan flames appeared.
>>
>> It is just too bad someone which such obvious knowledge could
>> not rise above the noise.
>>

It is very easy for someone else top state their point of view saying 
they went overboard. Who are you to udge the way someone acts it is this 
attitude and thinking that certain people think they know better and if 
somneone acts differently they are acting irrational.

>> I regret seeing the "good" Nathan go, but near the end, it was
>> mostly the "mean and nasty" Nathan that remained...
>
>I'll miss him too, and not just as a source of comic relief. Nathan's
>recent behavior strikes me as the work of a smart, talented person who
>unfortunately has gone completely off the deep end. Take a person with in a
>high-stress job and add in a steady diet of needling from people on a
>newsgroup (however justified it may be) and certain kinds of people are
>bound to snap. If Nathan's posts and farewell oration are any indication of
>his true character, he may very well be suffering from a severe emotional
>problem, in which case I hope that he gets help before he hurts himself or
>someone else

The way you judge Nathan even though you say you feel sorry that he left 
are you by any chance a dr a psychochologist. Who are you to say and 
judge the way a person acts. Me I can careless what a person says because 
I am my own person I dont live for everyones praise. No maybe if you did 
alot of work for the Apple II community like the FAQ's write programs and 
have people complain about everything the person does. Have you written 
any IIGS programs and have had certain  people post them in their 
archives without the decntcy to ask permisssion. Unless you were the same 
person like Nathan wrote programs and did alot of work for the Apple II 
community and had rights trambled over since certain people here in CSA2 
feel that everything is free. This is why more and more people have 
stopped writing programs for the IIGS but it is these same people that 
cry about why noone is making programs for the IIGS commercial or 
personal and they start talking about what we can do to save the IIGS and 
upgrade it. I can go on and on but so many people have heads stucks up 
their a**es thinking they are God's gift and just keep doing whatever 
they feel like. Until we get rid of the cancer in this CSA2 area it will 
just dwindle and die. Until then I would be wasting my breathe and if 
these people left maybe the very brilliant and talented people will come 
back. But I guess we will never be able to get ridn of the leeches here.