Re: NATHAN and the FAQ Dilemna

[!smentzer@pacbell.net (Steve Mentzer)]

Try deperately, but ultimately failing to sound intelligent, Mike Horwath 
said...

>
>
>Yah, do that and keep the mail coming.
>
>Steve, you have threatened to mail bomb me and the ISP I operate.
>
>This is just one step towards doing that.
>
>Grow up.


Actually, I didn't threaten to do anything. Here is an excerpt from what I sent 
you.


> I also know a few spam emailers that would be more than happy to
> mailbomb the hell out of your members with emails that might say
> something like "VISI.COM supports illicit and slanderous material on
> it's web site".


SOUNDS LIKE MY RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH, DOESN'T IT. DO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO INFORM 
EVERY SUBSCRIBER OF YOURS OF YOUR SUPPORT OF SLANDEROUS AND MORALLY 
REPREHENSIBLE MATERIAL? JUST LIKE NATHAN HAS THE RIGHT TO SLANDER PEOPLE WHILE 
USING **YOUR** EQUIPMENT?


Whether or not you call it a mailbomb, spam or the like, my "threat" was that I 
could very easily obtain a list of all your members and inform them of the fact 
that your web site **supports** slanderous material. You are knowingly 
harboring material that is slanderous. Hide behind your "non censorship" policy 
all you want. The fact is that you are a buddy of nathans, and you are 
protecting him while violating the rights of others.


>
>: The fact is that he has done nothing illegal, but if you pester his ISP 
enough 
>: about it (send email 10 times a day) they will get sick of it and "persuade" 
>: him to rethink his position.
>
>You think so?
>
>Childish.


Really, it seems to work with a lot of other ISP's. But then again, you are 
protecting nathan and his right to "free speech".


>
>: He is an arrogant, egotistical control freak. If you aren't convinced after 
>: this latest incident, you are in need of some serious help. Read DejaNews 
and 
>: query on "Nathan Mates". You will be suprised at what you see. If you STILL 
>: aren't convinced, please retrieve the .45cal stress reliever from your 
>: emergency suicide kit, point it at your head and proceed to clean up the 
human 
>: gene pool.
>
>Oh, good idea. suicide.  Wow, you are a deep thinker.


It was a sarcastic remark. Get a clue.


>
>Those of you who are thinking of emailing those addresses above need
>to think again.
>
>The people of visi.com are an ISP, they are not in control of any
>documents or of Nathan Mates.


But you ARE in control of the server that hosts the documents in question.


>
>I ask that you not email the addresses above and instead keep your
>battle here in csa2 where it belongs.
>


Then why are you reading csa2?  Just interested?



>Steve has threatened me with a large mailbomb, I have already reported
>him to his ISP (PSI.NET) and mailed the tech contact of the domain he
>uses for work (mullinconsulting.com) and I have gotten responses from
>PSI already thanking me for the report.  Do not stoop to his level.



Read above. What you consider a threat, I consider to be my right to "free 
speech".



>
>Neither visi.com nor myself advocate any type of censorship, why
>should you, the community at large, let Steve and his friends
>(including .* Turley) run your lives or decide what info you should
>read or not read?  Choose for yourself and don't let these people tell
>you what you need.
>


The fact is that nathan is trying to control things here.  Not me or turley or 
any of the other "crack starved pirates". Get a clue. Get the facts.

smentzer@pacbell.net