And if its not in Nathan's FAQ, more likely than not its in the Syndicomm archives on Genie or Delphi. The FAQ is great, but the archives of the home of the Apple II community are better, just not as indexed as the FAQ. Delphi accecss can be as cheap as US$6 per month, and you can telnet in using your current ISP/Internet account. There is no excuse for being left outside in the csa2 jungle... :-) --