Re: Official Apple II documentation?

["bill.martens@gmail.com" <bill.martens@gmail.com>]

On Jul 2, 5:59 am, Michael J. Mahon <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:
> A2Aviator <a2avia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's one thing to be an active contributor, but when practically the
> > entire site is based on content that is sniped off other peoples
> > labor, without so much at least the courtesy to admit where you swiped
> > it from ...
>
> > ..and I don't wanna hear a single thing about how long that takes. Dr.
> > Ken obviously has time to paste his moniker all over the stuff as if
> > everything on that site is labeled in some megalomaniacal way.
>
> > So what you are advocating is since shareware is placed online, it
> > should not be paid for either? Maybe not 100% exactly the same, but
> > pretty darn close.
>
> > ..and more on the time subject, obvious intention of deceit is afoot,
> > around the latter part of last year I spent a great deal of effort
> > gathering cards and scanning to provide Alex Lee a good chunk of the
> > missing items on the What is the Apple IIgs? site. Alex then spent
> > even more time masking clean edges around them and filling them in the
> > colored theme of the section they were posted in.
>
> > Many of these same images are now also posted on a2ol, mind you,
> > WITHOUT any credit other than his own. Only Alex and I have the photos
> > in unmasked form. Time was OBVIOUSLY spent de-masking them again, and
> > it's pretty obvious they were, as there are hints of the color purple
> > on the edges of some. But time was had to label them with his own
> > email address.
>
> > Nope, the intention of deceit argument does not fly here, so don't
> > even bother filing a flight plan.
>
> > I do think it's pretty cool that there are some hardware items that
> > have been submitted that are pretty rare, too bad it seemingly took
> > ravaging other peoples work to get that far.
>
> > That has certainly put a damper on my desire to prepare and post
> > stuff, I am NOT a fan of putting names and markings on stuff, and
> > never wanted to resort to visibly tagging images, "protecting" (and
> > branding) PDFs, et al.
>
> > Of course I would be insane to think any materials posted are not
> > going to be "lifted", hell, I expect they will be. I save content
> > myself. But to repost it all and expressly go out of my way to give
> > the impression that it's all my content?
>
> > At least if I do tag and brand, and see that the tags and branding's
> > have been removed- it certainly does establish intent of deceit.
> > Simply ripping it off and reposting at least gives credit where credit
> > is due.
>
> I agree that credit should be given, particularly when original work is
> involved.
>
> -michael  -  NadaNet 3.1:  http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon

If something is copyrighted and says quite plainly, no re-distribution
then it means there are legal ramifications if you decide not to
follow that copyright.

As for the free-ware / shareware bit, there are a lot of people who
have done a lot to contribute things to community projects such as the
Beagle and AE projects.  Many of the documents that our buddy KENB has
put on it site were created specifically for the AE project and did
not exist until Brian created them.   I dont particularly care about
the inclusion of those on other sites, but it does piss me off quite
royally when someone like KENB comes along, sucks down all my sites
that I have spent 10 years plus putting together and puts it up as his
collection without credit.  He even went so far as to put stuff up
that was only available to our members.

I have to say he did comply with the takedown notices to a good
extent, however, he still has not credited Brian or AE for the
documents he has on his site which clearly have Brian's tag lines in
the documents.

Sean, I know you feel it should be out there if it is out there,
however there are still a lot of things that are copyrighted and sold
(by ourselves and sheppy and a few other programmers) and we should
respect that.  We have attempted to make as many things free as we can
in the past few years, however, that is not always possible.  As for
me, I will keep making the sites and making the things free when
possible but this crap of someone completely stealing the work after
it is completed is complete idiocy.

JMHO on the subject.