Re: Thanks Guys....

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guenter@student.uni-kl.de (Marvin) wrote:
>Nathan Mates (nathan@visi.com) wrote:
>:    Tip: on irc, people may be logged in, but not around. If they
>: ignore you, it's not a deliberate slight. One common misconception
>: about irc that we try and drill into newbies' heads is "we are not
>: here to entertain you." If you don't see anyone, or people ignore you,
>: you got what you paid for-- nothing. 
>
>Well, when I first entered #appleiigs, I stayed there for many minutes. I
>have never heard of the A2GS channel before, so I expected there a few
>people chatting about AppleII's and everything like all the nice folks in
>my user group. I have not been prepared for an icy silence.
>
>Well, I wanted to be friendly and said a few words of greetings. Finally,
>only one person whose name I don't want to mention bothered to talk to me...
>He informed me that saying 'hello' is considered 'obnoxious behaviour' (!)
>and that the people here don't like talking about the AppleII anymore.
>He said "They will probably kick your ass if you won't be quiet. I know
>them and I am sure they will." When I said that such a cold climate scares
>new Apple II users and programmers, he answered "They won't change for you.
>They won't even change for me and they know me!". I left.
>
>In the next days, I visited the channel several times, said nothing and
>tried to hang around for a while. In all the days, nobody has wished to
>talk to a newbie. Eerie silence, nothing else. Finally, I was bored and
>scared and left this crypt. Later I met Jawaid Bazyar and we have had
>a wonderful discussion about several topics. I bet that dozens of other
>A2 users have made similar experiences.
>
>Jawaid told me that this was the reason why he has created this channel.
>In the meantime, he has moved to another server.
>
>I guess it's time for the founding of another non-elite AppleII
>channel! Soon....

What Jawaid is doing is a good thing.  The problem is that the elitists
still have the appleiigs name, though.  This means that new users will
still fall into the trap.

What should happen is that the elitists should move into the new channel
and the helpers should move into appleiigs.

As Nate says, they are "off topic!"  What applies to comp.sys.apple2
should apply to appleiigs.  If they are no longer talking about the IIGS,
THEY should form a new channel.

There are enough double standards.

(Not to mention that several appleiigs types have dropped into csa2 and
they have HUGE sigs and Nate didn't say anything to them.  So I will:
TIP: ELITISTS, PLEASE LIMIT SIGS TO 4 LINES OR LESS!  YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE!
TIP: REFRAIN FROM FLAMING OR PROFANITY.  IT IS OFF TOPIC!
TIP: IF YOU NO LONGER USE AN APPLE II, DON'T POST HERE.)

:)

-Scott G.