Re: irc -appleiigs

[dwy@ace.net (David Young)]

Toby Reiter (str4552@OBERLIN.EDU) wrote:
: How about #unixmasturbation? Really, a name of a channel should fit its 
: content. #appleiigs should be a place where people can discuss hardware, 
: software, and other aspects of using an Apple IIgs or Apple II computer.  

Says who? You? Who died and made you Helen Rose? A channel is a collection
of users. Names are immaterial.

: It doesn't matter how apathetic you as individuals or as a group are--the 
: main responsibility of anyone in irc #appleiigs is to keep the topic on 
: track.  

Again, who are you to dictate what my or anyone else's responsibilities
are? Do you pay for IRC? Do you own the cables across which the bits
travel? Like, no.

: Granted, my experience on the Apple IIgs, irc, or UNIX is extremely 
: limited, and I would love to learn more about all three of these subjects 
: (well, maybe I'm not _that_ interested in irc.) How can I expect to learn 
: more about the IIgs when the only free real-time discussion group doesn't 
: even address the topic of its namesake?

Easy. Consult one of the driveloads worth of information about the GS's
hardware, software, operating system, whatever through another medium.

You're free to try a questions on us, and we'll probably answer if it
seems like you have a base working knowledge from which we can explain
things. However, we're not a damn university here to instruct you on the
finer points of IIgs technicals.

: One thing I had noticed about some of the names I remember from #appleiigs 
: is that they were Objectivists.  Now, I don't mean to imply anything about 
: Ayn Rand, but it seems to me that Objectivists on the whole--because they 
: embrace an idealogy in which self-interest is glorified and in which all 
: interactions between humans are seen as the result of self-service--tend to 
: not be sympathetic to the conditions of others.  They tend to accept "Get a 
: life!", "You're and idiot!" and "Why didn't you read the f**king Technical 
: Manual?" as logical appropriate statements. 

One of the things I remember reading about people who want to share stuff
all the time is that they're a bunch of pinkos. I think I saw it in MAD
Magazine, or maybe it was Cracked. I don't mean to imply anything about
Trotzky, but it seems to me that Reds on the whole -- because they eat a
lot of Borscht -- get the runs a lot. They tend to run out into the snow,
to the outhouse, and freeze their Babuschkas off in the process.

: I don't know about anyone else, but I feel that it is my duty to help 
: others, not their privilege that I do so.

That's real nice. Can you? You admit yourself you don't know much about
the GS, UNIX, or anything. It's always funny how those without any ability
seem to think that it's something that should be freely given away. The
deal is, they think it's something that should be freely given away -- to
them.

: I know that this posting may seem a bit pointed, rude, and 
: over-generalized, but I truly feel that this has become a problem in the 
: Apple II world. 

Not just the Apple II world. Cluelessness in general is on the rise. Read
_The Dilbert Principle_, and then see the two hair-horns of shame on your
own head.

: More and more, the people who are beginning to use 
: computers are less aware of how to use them, because of the shift of the 
: computer from "nerd toy" to "necessary commodity". 

Case in point: you.

: It is imperative, therefore, that we understand, both on an intellectual
: and emotional level, the problems people are having with their computers.

My problem with my computer is that he always leaves the toilet seat up.
Man, is that annoying. I think we're headed for divorce.

[snip. I'm really glad they made the Children's Aid Society too, Toby]

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