Re: Looking For: Help w/ AppleTalk on IIgs + Some Stuff for a IIgs

[dempson@atlantis.actrix.gen.nz (David Empson)]

In article <abraverm-1306951619450001@192.0.2.1>,
Andrew Braverman <abraverm@pluto.njcc.com> wrote:
> 
> [ROM 3 IIgs with 2MB of RAM and a 3.5" drive, probably getting a
> hard drive.]
>
> I'm getting a mouse card and a large Apple Tablet - do you think that will
> work with this machine?

Mouse card: NO.  You cannot properly use an Apple IIe mouse card in a
ROM 3 IIgs.  It will work in a ROM 1, if you disable the internal
mouse firmware.  In a ROM 3, the mouse card will work for 8-bit
software (again, if you disable the internal mouse firmware), but
native software only supports an ADB mouse.

You should just get an Apple Desktop Bus mouse - the same type used on
all current Macs.

Graphics Tablet: apart from really ancient software, there probably
isn't much that supports it.  It might be possible to write a driver
that allows it to be used to control the mouse cursor in GS/OS programs.

> Wouild I use the II/IIe mouse card (w/ DB09F) or the Game Port?

No to both.  The IIgs game port only supports paddles or joysticks,
not mice.  (The IIc is the only Apple II with a combined
mouse/joystick port.)

> I might want some more RAM - anyone have more than a 1mb board for sale? 
> if it's inexpensive, I might want it - maybe I can sell this populated
> Apple board (1024k)

A 4MB RAM card currently sells new for about US$130.  Sequential
Systems has two versions: one fully populated 4MB one, and a second
that has 4MB and can be expanded to 8MB (only 7MB of which can be used
on a ROM 3).

> I also need a keyboard and mouse...

You can use most ADB keyboards on the IIgs.  The major exception is
the Apple Ergonomic keyboard (the split one).

My favourite is the original Apple Extended Keyboard.

> The more important part:
> 
> I am trying to run AppleShare Server 3.0 on my Quadra and acctually boot
> from that over LocalTalk (using PhoneNet style connectors)... for some
> reason, the system wont boot - I installed Apple II Setup properly with
> the AppleShare Server installer, but I dont think the GS thinks AppleTalk
> is there... the SLOTS control panel says...
> 
> Slot 1 - AppleTalk
> **--**
> Slot 7 - I've tried both AppleTalk and YourCard here... whjat do I need?

Leave it set to "Your Card".  You only need to set slot 7 to
"AppleTalk" if you are using rather old software that assumes the IIgs
AppleTalk firmware lives in slot 7.  If you do this, AppleTalk
occupies both slots 1 and 7.

> Startup - I have tried SCAN and AppleTalk alone for this...

Must be set to AppleTalk to boot from AppleTalk.

> using the Apple Startup Disk (from support.apple.com), I booted the system
> and added the AppleTalk stuff (FST, Drivers, and CDEVs) from the System
> Tools Disks...  it didnt see it...

Hm.  It is a little unclear exactly what you did.  I haven't actually
set up an AppleShare server to enable a IIgs to boot over a network,
so I don't know the exact steps.  I believe that you need to do the
following:

1. Make sure you have matching versions of the IIgs System Software
   and Apple II Setup disk, ideally System 6.0.1 (six disk set) and
   Apple II Setup version 3.0.  The IIgs should be set up with AppleTalk
   selected for slot 1, and the Phonenet connector plugged into the
   Printer port.  Set the startup slot to "scan" (or slot 5).

2. Use Apple II Setup to set up the necessary stuff on the server (I have
   no idea what exactly is involved for this part).

3. Boot the IIgs Installer.  Click on "Customize".  Use the Installer to
   create a IIgs system disk.  I can't remember the exact option - you
   either create an 800k system disk, then add "Local Network Boot" to it,
   or there might be an "AppleShare on 800k disk" option.

4. Boot this disk.  Use it to log on to the server.  If you cannot,
   there may be a physical problem.  Once you have succeeded logging
   on to the server (as a registered user with access rights to
   everything), launch the IIgs Installer, choose "Customize", and
   install the IIgs system software onto the server.

5. Change the IIgs startup slot to "AppleTalk", and try booting from the
   server.

I'll have to do a little research to find more details on this.  It
may be documented in the AppleShare manual, but I don't have
AppleShare (or a Mac).

> I even tried to make a 1.1 mb RAM DISK and boot from that - even with the
> system installed with the Installer, it gave me a CheckStartup Device when
> I tried to boot from the RAM Disk...

You can't boot from the RAM disk until it has been formatted.  You can
do this by booting a IIgs system disk and using the Initialize or
Erase command from Finder.  This must be done before attempting to
install the system software on the RAM disk.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz
Snail mail: P.O. Box 27-103, Wellington, New Zealand