How would you use telnet to grind though? I mean most telnet's don't support file transfer do they? -- :s Larry W. Virden INET: larry.virden@cas.org :s <URL:http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp/lvirden_sig.html> :s Unless explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting should :s be construed as representing my employer's opinions.