Joe, the only 'flame' you will get from me is that last parting shot - I enjoy a number of alt groups and really would appreciate folks not treating them like sewers. -- :s Great net resources sought... :s Larry W. Virden INET: lvirden@cas.org :s Personal: 674 Falls Place, Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614 The task of an educator should be to irrigate the desert not clear the forest.