Re: //gs & SNES

[quor@qedbbs.com (Matthew Ghio)]

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On 30 Jul 93 18:33:00 GMT, murph@apple.com (Jim Murphy) wrote:
>In article <CAyyL5.J9J@utstat.toronto.edu> Philip McDunnough writes:
>>In article <1993Jul28.182309.22006@gallant.apple.com> Jim Murphy writes:
>>>In article <CAun1r.Ls3@well.sf.ca.us> Joe Kohn, joko@well.sf.ca.us writes:
>>>>One of the more interesting statements made at KansasFest was Burger Bill
>>>>saying that he is working on getting GS/OS software running on a Super
>>>>Nintendo. He said that he was successful in running HyperStudio on a SNES.
>>>
>>>     I, frankly, find this to be the most absurd thing I've heard in quite
>>>a while. Why would you waste productive time making a cheap entertainment
>>>system with vastly different resolution run software for a computer, when
>>>it's going to look cruddy on an NTSC display anyway? There are 50
>>>bazillion other reasons why this is a foolish waste of time, but I'll save
>>>them for now.
>>
>>I disagree. I think it's a great idea for a zillion reasons. The consumer
>>market is where things are  headed and this is a difficult mix of a number
>>of different technologies. Nintendo is doing very well with its SNES (which
>>is capable of very good resolutions) and a computer capability would be
>>great. The Miracle piano system is available for the SNES as well as the
>>zillion Mac models out there all running the same software. It's not
>>available for the GS though. The GS and SNES complement each other quite
>>well and in fact that's a natural direction for the GS to head as the Mac
>>heads off in 25 different directions, none of which include the GS.
>
>     So, this is like saying, since the SNES sells like crazy, and kids
>are buying hundreds of thousands of software titles for it, obviously if
>you could run GS software on it we'd have bazillions of GS software titles.
>I don't think so. SNES sales are solely driven by the sheer volume of
>available titles for the machine. The GS, however, was not, and by making
>a poor copy of the original available to the masses it will not entice
>developers to make the necessary new software titles to sustain hardware
>sales.
>
>>>     I find that most of the "announcements" Bill has been making
>>>revolving around the now-defunct "Avatar" and this thing just serve to
>>>get the hopes up of those few terminal die-hards who see Bill as their
>>>saviour. It ain't gonna' happen...
>>
>>What isn't going to happen? The GS may not last forever, but neither is
>>Apple and it isn't clear at this point which is going to go first.
>
>    None, zero, absolutely not a single one of these so-called
>"announcements" from Mr. Bill will lead to commercial products. I've said
>it time and time again, he cannot make a legally acceptable product by his
>reverse engineering of the system software. If he truly had any desire to
>actually make any of these things into real products, rather than simply
>pumping up his own ego, he would have tried to license the necessary
>technologies from Apple. To the best of my knowledge, he has not done so.

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I will say that the idea of making the Super Nintendo run IIgs software seems a
bit far-fetched, but your post is completely assanine and ludicrous.  First of
all, "Mr. Bill" did not make any such claims or "annoumcements" to you.  You
based your entire diatribe on a secondhand source posted to the usenet.  Before
you go bashing someone else's claims, you better go look at the claims of your
own company.  Apple Computer Inc. has repetedly made promises to the Apple II
community and not delivered.  Where is the Ethernet card that Apple announced?
What about the ROM 4 IIgs (so called "IIgs+", which was announced by Apple's
default on a non-disclosure agreement.)  None, zero, absolutely not a single
one of these so-called "announcements" from CrApple will lead to commercial
products.  Apple computer is committed to screwing over and ignoring the Apple
II users because the top management is computer illiterate (really, soda pop
executives trying to develop computer systems, what a joke) and views the
Apple II as a "hacker's computer" - an idea which seems ridiculous and
incomprehensible to them.  You mentioned liscensing the Apple IIgs
technologies.  Apple Computer has on several occasions made it explicitly clear
that no Apple II ROM code will be liscensed to anyone.  You should review the
policies of your company before commenting on them.  If Apple Computer has in
fact changed its policies regarding liscensing technologies related to the
Apple II, we would all appreciate it if you would make an informative post
explaining this instead of being insulting.  I am disgusted with Apple Computer
Inc., and your post only reveals the level of arrogance and disorder present
there.  Apple has a management structure preocupied with political infighting
and neglacting the customer.  Apple has contininuously changed its products and
marketing after it alienated one group after another.  Apple has changed its
focus from the Apple II to the Apple III to the Lisa to the Mac and now to the
Newton and PowerPC, as it discovered that its customer base was unhappy with
the service provided by Apple.  Apple has allowed many of its "Authorized
Dealerships" to decay into chaotic bazarrs overrun with unknowledgeable and
obviously unqualified salespeople.  After realizing this, Apple decided to dump
its dealers (like any other group Apple decided it did not like) and contract
with some major retailers, such as Sears.  This has gotten Apple the total
disrespect that it deserves.  The former CEO was forced to resign recently and
is now charged with stock manipulations and fraud.  Certainly not the type of
thing which gains an organization any respect.  I shudder at the thought of
buying any Apple product, as doing so would probably be supporting more of
such devious business practices.  If someone builds an Apple II compatible
computer, I would buy it any day over an Apple product.  At its current rate of
decline, Apple Computer Inc. is likely to be bankrupt or involved in a buy-out
within 1-2 years, at which time, we probably won't have to worry about you or
copyright infingement lawsuits.  I don't care if Apple goes bankrupt; they
don't support the IIgs anyway.  People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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