Re: METAL is now FREE!!!!!!

[glyn@cs.UAlberta.CA (Reade Glyn Devin)]

In article <1993Mar27.100334.21361@news.csuohio.edu>, fnet@neumann.cba.csuohio.edu (Greg Boh) writes:
> In article <1p0e1t$j9t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> co057@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steven H. Lichter) writes:
> >
> >Bashing any BBS program or computer is not called for. There is not
> >much support for the II and all the support that can he had is welcome. 
> >
> >I have heard that if LLUCE gets enough support a gs version could be
> 
> Yeah..right! I'll wait to see a published II version.
>  
> >written. Also it is written as to allow it to be moved to a Mac or
> >PC will very little change.
> 
> I wonder how Andy programmed this? Huh? Any suggestions? Go ahead and explain
> to me how code generated using 65C02 assembly is EASILY portable "with very
> little change" to the Macintosh or IBM platforms...This I want to hear...Sorry
> bud, but the Motorola 68000 series is just a little differnet than the 6502
> series processors and porting code from the 6502 to the 68000 was, last time
> -I- checked, a royal pain in the ass and not worth the time considering the
> decent C compilers available on the Mac.

#define FLAME

Yo buddy! Take a break!

First off, I have not used METAL, LLUCE, etc. so I will not comment about
things with which I am not familiar (hint, hint).

However, I _am_ familiar with the Apple IIGS, as well as the 680x0, i80x86
and most other platforms that you care to mention.  For those not following
this on a *apple* newsgroup:

	1.  The GS uses a 65c816, not a 65c02

	2.  The GS has firmware/system software that, at the programming
	    level, is almost identical to the Mac's firmware/software.
	    Remember those toolbox calls?  From a high-level language
	    (ie: C) you can often get by with no changes.  If you're using
	    an assembler that has a decent macro set, the changes are
	    also minor, assuming you produced good code the first time
	    around.

I concede that the 65c816 is no powerhorse, and the 6502 is even less so.
However, as Steven Lichter mentioned, there is no need for computer bashing.
I may use a Sun or IBM at work, but for enjoyment I program my GS and like
the GS community.  Relax a bit, OK?

#undef FLAME

> Point is, your way misinformed. Are you the same idiot that claimed LLUCE was
> a MultiLine BBS system under ProDos 8? And that you could have two people
> sharing the same BBS system as long as you had...
> 
> 1. A Macintosh Filserving
> 2. 1 II with A modem
> 3. A second II with a modem
> 
> > That has its advantage if a SysOp want
> >to move to a different computer. I'll stick with my II and GBBS/LLUCE.
> >Apple II Forever!!!!!!!
> 
> Good...Stay there and be "awed". Just don't ever look at METAL or you'll
> realize just how badly you have been ripped off by L&L.

Oh, and by the way:  Please quit cross-posting this to comp.sys.apple2.gno.
That is a newsgroup for the GS' Unix clone, not for BBS info.  Anyone 
reading csa2g is also likely reading comp.sys.apple2 which is more
appropriate, and will therefore receive it there.  (Time to edit my 
KILL file.)

Thanks for letting me vent my spleen.