>Dave You said there were paper docs for newPort. Where? Was the for -sale Source Code Sampler updated to include the May 1990 sample code? I didn't think it was. I actually do have a use for an offscreen port (thus my Q about grafPort widths) and could use newPort/killPort _if_ I get around to it; that is a big if nowadays, though -- I'm quite busy. Jay jay.krell@cornell.edu