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Re: Apple //c++ experiments...



John wrote:
On Aug 15, 1:55 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:

John wrote:

On Aug 11, 4:37 pm, "Michael J. Mahon" <mjma...@aol.com> wrote:

I recently acquired a //c+ (Yay!), so I decided to try replacing the
16MHz accelerator oscilator with a 32MHz oscillator to bump the speed

from 4MHz to 8MHz (making it a "//c++"  ;-).

I was concerned that simply replacing the oscillator might shorten
the "slowdown" times for slow slots and the speaker and joystick,
which could pose a problem.

The answer is that the slowdown times are timed by counting down
the 1MHz Apple bus clock, not the accelerator clock, so they are
unaffected by oscillator frequency--a very convenient result.

Also, the Zip Chip Utilities, and in particular the ZIP.SYSTEM program
that runs before any other system program on the boot volume, configures
the IIc+ just as it would for any slotted Apple II.  Of course, it is
necessary to leave slots 5 and 6 slow for disk access to work, and in
the IIc+ it does not appear to be possible to set the joystick to
"fast" (but the speaker can be set to fast).

In short, just replacing the 16MHz oscillator with a 32MHz oscillator
converts a IIc+ into a "IIc++", and the Zip utilities can be used to
configure the actual speed, or even to default the accelerator to "off".

BTW, I understand that some IIc+ machines will not run with a 32MHz
oscillator.  I have several 32MHz oscillators, and found that one type
would not work, while another (RXD 1100) did, so maybe the problem
some have reported is an oscillator problem, not a IIc+ problem...

I tried a 39.750MHz oscillator, and it didn't work--but it was of the
same type that did not work at 32MHz, so I don't think that proves
anything.  I was hoping it would work, so that I could run at 32MHz
with some assurance of some "headroom" for reliability...

-michael

NadaNet file server for Apple II computers!
Home page:  http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."

I haven't opened the //c+ up so, what kind of oscillator is it?
I have a mystery 27 MHz crystal for a radio or something. Maybe I
should just try it and see.

The accelerator clock oscillator is under the middle of the
keyboard.  It is a 14-pin DIP form-factor oscillator, but like
all such oscillators, it has only the four "corner" pins (1, 7,
8, 14).

A plain (2-lead) crystal won't do--you need an oscillator (which
has a crystal inside the sealed metal case).

The 32MHz replacement oscillator will look almost exactly like
the installed 16MHz oscillator, except for markings.

-michael

NadaNet file server for Apple II computers!
Home page:  http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."


If and when I decide to do this I'll try and match it except for the
speed.
Thanks, again, for the help. May your //C++ sing a higher note
clearly.

And it *does*--I use ZIP.SYSTEM to set my speaker speed to FAST,
so the machine now "chirps" instead of "beeps".  ;-)

-michael

NadaNet file server for Apple II computers!
Home page:  http://members.aol.com/MJMahon/

"The wastebasket is our most important design
tool--and it's seriously underused."