Paul Schlyter wrote:
I didn't mean commercial success, but rather programmer's convenience. But that's now in the past. The current version of Borland Delphi and C++ buider is a real pig: expensive, bulky, huge, and slow. Just like the Pascal compilers before TP... :-) ....otoh Borland has removed "Turbo" from the names of their products, which perhaps is a sign of themselves being conscious about the situation.
Getting way off topic but Pascal programmers can use Free Pascal on many platforms and it is decently compatible with Turbo Pascal with decent code generation. Sadly, this doesn't include the II series.
The UCSD P-system predated TP by a few years, so there should have been some applications deveoped in it. Btw TP programs were portable too, if you avoided platform specific features: TP was implemented on CP/M-80, CP/M-86, PC-DOS and MS-DOS. For awhile there was even a Macintosh version of TP. This was for TP versions 1 to 3 - starting with TP ver 4, TP went single-platform and targeted only MS-DOS, and later MS-Windows.
UCSD was an interesting system, IMHO. There is even a set of GUI and Mousetext based routines along with a set of graphics primitives available. These are still available here:
http://store.syndicomm.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_23_27_29&products_id=37 along with the ProDOS 8 version here: http://store.syndicomm.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_23_27_29&products_id=56 a bit pricey at $25 apiece but possibly useful to someone.As for the Apple II UCSD Pascal system, run version 1.3 on a 2c+ or transwarped IIe, etc with a ram disk and it works pretty well. Add some custom programming on top of that and you can get some decent applications. BTW, if possible, run the 128k version for a bit more memory space.
I first used the system on my original 2c with 5.25 floppy. Upgraded that with a 512k ZRam using the Applied Engineering ram disk card and it worked much smoother. I suppose it's a matter of expectations.
Cheers, Mike T.