Re: Using "Modern Components" on Apple Computers?

["Michael J. Mahon" <mjmahon@aol.com>]

Mark Frischknecht wrote:
> Robert C. wrote:
>
> > "The Wizard of Oz" <wizard@emeraldcity.gov> wrote in message
> > pan.2005.03.02.20.14.15.36310@emeraldcity.gov">news:pan.2005.03.02.20.14.15.36310@emeraldcity.gov...
> >
> > > On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 14:53:28 -0500, Robert C. wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > "The Wizard of Oz" <wizard@emeraldcity.gov> wrote in message
> > > > pan.2005.03.01.19.13.07.414826@emeraldcity.gov">news:pan.2005.03.01.19.13.07.414826@emeraldcity.gov...
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:21:27 -0500, Robert C. wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I was wondering if there was a way of using modern components such as
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hard
> > > >
> > > > > > Drives, Zip Drives, 3.5" Floppy Drives on the Apple ][+ computer?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > ~Robert~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Short answer... Each will work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Detailed answer... You need to find the appropriate controller first.
> > > > >
> > > > > Later
> > > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > OK, where do I find the controllers to do such a task?
> > > >
> > > > ~Robert~
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm... I thought the others would be more specific.
> > >
> > > Generally hard drives and zip drives can be connected with SCSI cards.
> > > The two types in common usage are the Apple SCSI card (the rev C or 
> > > newer
> > > is always a good choice) or the Ramfast. Either of these should do. 
> > > If you
> > > have a SCSI card you can use Mac compatible storage. There is also talk
> > > about connecting IDE (PC) hard drives and Flash drives to the Apple. I
> > > don't know if either of these will work with a ][+. Then again I haven't
> > > asked... If they will work then these will be your best bet for modern
> > > equipment. As to where to find them, ask a specific question such as
> > > "Where can I buy an IDE controller card for my ][+?" in a new thread. 
> > > Some
> > > of the people making these devices should respond.
> > >
> > > Options to connect a 3.5 drive to your computer are to say the least
> > > harder to find. I used to have a Universal Disk Controller card at one
> > > point. It did the trick for my Unidisk (which is still connected to a 
> > > Mac
> > > Plus). Apples Superdrive card may work with a ][+. It was initially
> > > designed so the GS could access 1.44MB floppies. Don't get confused with
> > > the Mac Superdrive which is completely different. Other cards may be
> > > available, but I am unaware of them. There are a couple of friendly 
> > > people
> > > here selling hardware. If they can't help then check e-bay.
> > >
> > > Later
> > > Mike
> >
> >
> > Anyone familiar with St�phane Guillard's Apple II IDE/ATA interface
> > (http://s.guillard.free.fr/Apple2IDE/Apple2IDE.htm)? The circuit is 
> > simple
> > enough, but I wonder about the fact that there is absolutely no 
> > controller
> > or ROM built into the the circuit to control the drive at all.
> >
> > ~Robert~
> Every IDE drive has the drive controller on the hard drive.
> IDE=Integrated Drive Electronics
>
> With IDE, the controller electronics are built into the drive itself, 
> requiring a simple circuit in the PC for connection. IDE drives were 
> attached to earlier PCs using an IDE host adapter card. Today, two 
> Enhanced IDE (EIDE) sockets are built onto the motherboard, and each 
> socket connects up to two drives via a 40-pin ribbon cable for CD-ROMs 
> and similar devices and an 80-wire cable for fast hard disks (see below).
>
> http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?method=4&dsid=1512&dekey=IDE&gwp=8&curtab=1512_1 

Yes, but an Apple II controller usually has ROM that enables the
Apple to boot from the drive, and perhaps contains other functions.

This is system-specific "plug and play" code that is quite distinct
from controlling the drive itself.

-michael

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