Re: bragging rights..might have something unique ...modified apple //e pretty wild looking

["brad" <mrbrad@(remove)ll.net>]

i posted the actual cards and some more info on another post here...i've not
really tested fully apple regular type software with it..but again
i think it prob will work in that the apple //e kernal test comes up ok..

anyway the author/inventor of the particular cards i mentioned in the prev
post like 5min ago...replied to me with more info on the stuff
and dapple systems...i think he is fairly amused that i actually have a
complete system that works...anyway..he goes into more detail below

anyway...if you follow this thread prev ...he also is the one i guoted
before on general info...in my orig post etc etc

anyway this is what he says further about the whole slew of this apple //e
modified by dapple systems...again he is the developer of the imageworks
display card (slot 3) modified by dapple and the imagemaster that is in the
proslot setup in slot 7 .as seen below i have the one he mentions as prob an
imageworks ii version in that i have the slanted //e edge on this board..see
below and .see prev posts on this thread....to clarify some of this i've
posted here...

it also states below..that it was prob a $10,000 setup (on the cheap)
zowie...

quote by maker of the imageworks dapple cards in the beast




It is a pretty rare setup. Dapple didn't sell very many, maybe a dozen or
two of that version. It sounds like you have the earliest incarnation when
The ImageWorks was a display card and the capture was done with the
ImageMaster, or in this case perhaps, digitized directly by the microscope
electronics. The two knobs are probably gain and offset for the input
signal.

The software is by a professor (name escapes me for some reason but I used
to talk to him all the time) who wrote a book on stereology, the measurement
of the sizes and areas of things in video pictures. What percentage of that
mineral is gold? Make a thin slice, stick it in the EM (electron microscope)
and run the software. If I find the book I'll send the name. My demo won't
run on that setup since all those boards were modified for Dapple. Is the
board rectangular or does it have the full size Apple IIe shape with the
sloping end? If not rectangle, it should say ImageWorks II, and they can be
a lot of fun since they have a built in video frame grabber.

Dapple did OK with these for several years. It turned out that they were
fast enough to keep up with the data rates of the microscopes and a heck of
a lot cheaper than the DEC and HP based systems other people were selling.
It was like $10,000 versus $40,000. The real value was in the software of
course.

Other customers built their own simpler systems. I even modified a set of
boards for an Italian researcher who used three to get red, green, and blue
for 24 bits of full color from his Apple //gs. He published some nice
research and another researcher in Greece bought a bunch of boards and wrote
software for his labs. I remember Ontario Hydroelectric bought several and
Bell Labs bought a bunch to set up an inexpensive test of video
conferencing. Those who could see past the "toy" nature of the Apple II
saved a heap of money on imaging systems.

The last I heard, one of the folks from Dapple was still making software for
scopes and stuff for the PC or PowerMacs. I think this is him. He was a self
taught programmer kid back then.

http://www.cs.wustl.edu/~jbuhler/research/dapple/

The Professor, John ..........Russ. Aha!

http://www.drjohnruss.com/about.html

is still working in imaging.





anyway...thats prob it....like i said prob be a shame to break it up...i'
doubt i'd ever figure out how to get it back together again..and you never
know...may trip over and electron microscope someday and viola...apple //
mad scientist extrodanare....

brad
former sysop lost-gonzo.com










"John Van Winkle" <appleiieman@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Sounds liek to me you have bragging rights.....especially since it sounds
> like you got some good HW out of the deal.  Whether you make that work or
> not, the HW can be used in other machines.
>
>
>
> "brad" <mrbrad@(remove)ll.net> wrote in message
> 10k5oh1msis5m4a@corp.supernews.com">news:10k5oh1msis5m4a@corp.supernews.com...
> > the below is a link to an item that did not sell on ebay...i got the
item
> > after it did not sell and essentially got the lot for shipping....saving
> it
> > from a dumpster death...
> >
> > the link to the non-sale ebay is below..with a pic..
> > .
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5117812189
> >
> > here is the ebay plug.. a very modified apple //e...that you can see
with
> > the pic..this is a very odd comercially modified apple //e for science
> > purposes
> >
> > start of plug  what was put up on ebay...(by the way the pic is pretty
> wierd
> > too)
> >
> > This apple IIe was made in about 1985 and was in good condition to my
> > knowledge when i turned it on a couple days ago. It is modified for
dapple
> > image analysis. It will include: printer 2 disk drives, mouse, computer,
> > keyboard, monitor, and all the needed cables except for the printer
cable
> > which came off and will probably need to be replaced. The screen is 9.5
by
> 7
> > inches. This computer will come with some programs but you probably not
be
> > able to find any more because it is so old. This computer would be good
> for
> > parts also.
> >
> >
> > ok...except for very modified //e with extra dials and gizmos
> > picture......and the statement "modified for dapple image analysis" and
a
> > couple other things mentioned..when contacting the guy for info...he
> > mentioned it had an 'acclerator //e' and proslot card and other
> mods....this
> > dapple image analysis was used on electron microscopes back in the
> > day....and also sonar or whatever.....i think it was someone on
> > comp.sys.apple (bill g?) who pointed me to a resume of a guy who filled
me
> > in....essentially this apple //e took video from a video camera and
> modified
> > it to graphs...image anaylisis etc etc...i tried reading the manual got
> like
> > 2 paragraphs into it ..and my head started to hurt and i was lost....so
> you
> > have video or a pic and you run image analysis on said data thru these
> > special dapple cards and apple modified o/s via ramdisk accelator
etc..and
> > viola you then plot data from your electron microscope pic...and chart
> graph
> > look for ufo's with it or whatever...
> >
> > anyway...i'd add some pics..it is pretty wild looking inside...but my
> > digital camera is crap....again i refer you to the ebay pic above...
> >
> > anyway...inside...it has what seems to be an applied engineeering heavy
> duty
> > power supply...it has a ramworks card w/piggy back on it...3 meg i
think?
> it
> > has a grappler plus printer card..it has a scientific but production
> guality
> > card by 'red shift ltd' with two video port cables coming out...it has
an
> > accelerator card the //'accelerator //e' model but it has an 'dapple
> > systems' sticker on a chip on the card..not sure it they souped it up or
> > not? .it has a 3.5" drive card LIRON card  in slot 6 (nothing is in slot
> 5)
> > .i forgot to mention the dapple video card is in slot 3...it has a
proslot
> > card (which is a card i never heard of before..it is the size of the
apple
> > 3.5" controller card...but has two slots horizontal....so that card
plugs
> > into slot 7 and mounted sideways on it off the end of slot 7 is another
> red
> > shift production quality card with cables going to the micro tuning
dials
> on
> > the front of the modified apple //e....the second card mounted sideways
> > horizontal off the proslot card is a standard //e mousecard/with mouse
> > arrangement..... also inside is a heavily modified paddle adapple brand
> game
> > port switch mounted in front of the ae powersupply ..with what looks
like
> a
> > modified chip inside and the game port cable heading off to i assume the
> > game i/o port.lots of jumpers and wires bouncing around said modified
> > chip...also mounted as mentioned before where the keyboard used to be is
a
> > couple of very very fine tuning controls of some kind...it also has an
> > extenal metal extended keyboard with more dials....along with 2 unidisk
> > drives software and manuals...the manuals are a tech manual and an
> imageplus
> > plus manual and some special disks 6 or 7..with their special operating
> > system...the roms on the apple //e have also be modified....
> >
> > anyway..it boots a special software package called " scientific
> > microprograms MSMS memory and disk management system for the enhanced
> apple
> > //e"
> >
> > this apple // OS uses both sides of the disk...is a modified dos 3.3
> > ..claims  to be much faster then prodos...and essentially runs everthing
> > from (i think it is) a 3meg ramdisk setup inside the apple //e)....the
> image
> > analysis cards do their magic and then from a scientific menu of various
> > options i can barely get thru with the scientific jargon....you then
play
> > god i guess with your apple //e and electron microscope in the lab...and
> do
> > kackling laughs as you manipulate data..(or so i assume i read some more
> of
> > the manual ..and my head hurt again and i had to take a nap)
> >
> > anyway...does anyone have (or played with) one of these beasts? and is
it
> as
> > rare as i expect it is? (heck they even knocked out the apple //e label
on
> > the front and put in a dapple systems label instead"....and if so ...can
i
> ?
> > do i dare?
> >
> > CLAIM BRAGGING RIGHTS TO HAVING AN APPLE //E THAT CAN RUN AN ELECTRON
> > MICROSCOPE?......COOL....
> >
> > of course....i'm not smart enough to figure out the manual..so that an't
> > likely...i'd ever get it to work...not to mention it is probably a crime
> to
> > actually part this beast out....i turn it on..and everything works...or
> > seems too...menus come up...and the silly //e actually looks like it
> expects
> > me to do something important with it...again an't likely...and
considering
> > the rom modifications...suspected accelerator modifications...etc...i
> doubt
> > anyone could get one of these up again if they tried...i was actually
> > shocked it actually booted up...if one wire would have popped loose ...i
> > never would have figured it out...but seems to work like a champ
> >
> > anyway check the pic out...from the defunct ebay link....i guess i saved
> it
> > from a dumpster end...if anyone else has one of these contact me or for
> that
> > manner ever ran one in a lab someplace in university or some such....i
> guess
> > i'll encase it in rubbermaid containers like the rest of my stuff i seem
> to
> > save and never do anything with...or at least much (the 15 sider drives
> > cheer from bsmt)...
> >
> > if the great minnesota earthquake hits ...archeologists will......find
> much
> > to marvel at in my apple // rubbermaid encased basement
> >
> > anyway....let me know if i have bragging rights or not...and if some one
> has
> > something that can run the hubble space telescope or something fire
> away..we
> > will make it a contest..
> >
> > (i of course bow in awe of all those apple 1 users out there...i am not
> > worthy.....)
> >
> > anyway that was my basic nerdy friday nite....(note to self must get
> digital
> > camera..decent one)
> >
> > brad
> > former sysop lost gonzo bbs
> >
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