Re: Apple, IBM and PCs (Re: Apple, Jobs, and the irony of it)

[Exegete <millers@noneofyourbusiness.com>]

Bill Garber wrote:
> "Exegete" <millers@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote in message
> news:3fe1ccb9$1_5@corp.newsgroups.com...
> :
> : There are a number of factual errors above. Here are three:
>
> Some facts are totally missing from your remarks.
>
> : 1. MS has always targeted the home user as well as the business
> market.
> : That's one of the reasons they are so large. Like Walmart, they
> want it all.
>
> No they didn't. IBM and MS were around before the
> personal computer ever existed. 

Oh come on, you aren't that stupid are you? MS was created for the 
purpose of selling the first BASIC for the FIRST personal computer 
(called microcomputer at that time.) Please notice that *I* didn't say 
IBM here. To quote you, "Read a little."  I have.

Read a little, I
> certainly do. I'm here all day looking things up.
>
> : 2. IBM did target the home market. Several times. The first was
> with the
> : PCjr. What a success that was. The second was with the PS/2
> models 25
> : and 30. Third was with the PS/1 line of machines (I bought one
> of those
> : new,) then the Aptiva.
>
> Again, those machines, short of the Jr, were ALL targetting
> the business market. I should know. I freaking used them,
> AT WORK.

Sorry but your ignorance is showing. IBM was perfectly willing to sell 
the junior to businesses, but it, like the models 25 and 30 (I'm not 
talking about the other PS/2 models) were marketed at the home and 
school markets, esp. the 25. As for the PS/1, if it was marketed at 
businesses, then why was it sold at Walmart and Target? Hummm? Again, 
IBM was happy to sell them to businesses, but again, they were marketed 
at the home and school.
> : 2. IBM doesn't have 95% of the market. In fact, no computer
> maker has
> : even 33% of the personal computer market.
>
> This should have been #3. DUH. 

Yeah, well, I put #2 between #1 and #2, and forgot to renumber. Like you 
never drop a stitch either.

Read again more closely.
> I said MS running on IBM compatibles. 

No, you didn't. Try rereading your own post. I did. You said "IBM and 
MS, who have acquired 95% of the market" - you didn't get any more 
specfic than that. What market? IBM sells hardward and sofware. MS sells 
both as well. In context one sells the computer, the other sells the OS. 
 But while MS does have more than 90% of the desktops, IBM doesn't have 
anywhere near 25% of the PC market.

Altogether, not separately.

Altogher what? Are you saying that IBM's OS/2 and Linux markets plus MS 
Windows = 95% of the desktops? If so, then say that. But that isn't what 
you actually said.

> Of course no one computer maker has 95%, but the IBM compats.,
> along with MS and other software writers do. 

You are mixing hard and software again. Which do you mean?

Case in point, how
> many references would you like, then I'll post them.
>
> : Comment - follow your own advice, and quit your belly aching
> over the
> : belly aching of people who don't like the PC or MS. It gets
> really old
> : to hear your rants on this subject. As long as you read csa2,
> you will
>
> BTW, I did say he can enjoy whatever computers he likes,
> and let me do the same.
>
> : see such comments. Your comments won't stop them. So you have
> two
> : choices: 1) stop reading csa2, or; 2) let it go, ignore the
> ignorant and
> : focus on something positive or useful.
>
> Good point, I'll start with the one that bugs me the most, YOU!
> PLONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> : Speaking of which, I need to get back to work.
>
> Good idea. Put money in my SS account, so I don't have
> to go to work with my severe disability. Thanks.

No problem, I'm exempt from SS  ;-)

Roy

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