Re: monitor on IIgs

["Bill Garber" <willy46pa@comcast.net>]

> >manner. We are serious about this and negative input will only
> >serve to cause a negative response.
>
> I wish you well in this endeavor--it will be a valuable addition
> to the Apple IIgs world.

Thank you much. All the help and advice I can get please.

> >ask me when my devices will be ready. They want them, but
> >I can't do it all by myself.
>
> Easy there, Bill!  ;-)
>
> Curb your enthusiasm.  ;-)

Ok, I'm calmed down now. ;-)

> First off, no one is putting any pressure on you to "do it all by
yourself"
> but you.  And from my observations, you are acting more as a ringmaster
> than as a performer in this show.

I've always considered myself more of a leader than a follower.

> Most members of the Apple II community are interested in new
> possibilities for the Apple II.  (Fewer are willing to spend any serious
> money for them, but that's another issue.  ;-)

Exactly, that is the reason I want to create peripherals rather than hacks.

> It is understandable (but still a bit annoying) when new folks cosy up
> to the Apple II "bar" and, without listening in for very long, begin to
> make proposals to do what many others have proposed to do in the
> past, but failed to do--either because 1) what they propose to do cannot
> be done,  2) because they are unable to do what they propose, or 3)
> because they decide, upon further research, that their proposal is not
> something that they want to do.

Many of the things I propose would have succeeded had, the 3 that
I got the info for the IIgs RGB to VGA, collaborated there findings.

> If the failure of the proposal to come to fruition was a result of a lack
> of encouragement, then cheerleading is a great solution--go to it!

( Roars heard from the Apple II crowds in the stands )

> But if the failure is the result of an incomplete understanding of the
> problem and/or the benefits of solving it, then encouragement is a
> fool's errand.

Precisely. And this is the reason I would like a good programmer
and a few electronic whizzes to collaborate with.

> There are many voices in this community--some dormant for random
> periods of time--who speak with some understanding and authority.
> When they say that a thing cannot be done or need not be done, there
> is a fair chance that they are describing reality.  This is not
nay-saying,
> this is "just the facts".

But if the problem is a lack of hardware, let's duplicate some of the good
out of stock and out of date versions and improve them not only in size
and cost, but in performance if possible.

> I say this in response to the tone of your statements above.

I agree, it was rather harsh, but it did gain some response that would
have otherwise fallen by the wayside.

> WRT your observation that there are inexpensive microcontrollers now

WRT?

> that could enable, for example, connecting a Disk ][ to a PC parallel
> port, you are absolutely correct.  This is, in fact, an example of the
kind
> of external hardware that can make such a connection possible.  I would
> be delighted if someone wrote a PIC program that would graft these
> "genetically incompatible" organisms together.  ;-)  It should be possible
> to make something less expensive and less general than a Catweasel
> board to connect Apple II disk drives to a PC.

I'm trying, but all I have so far is generic assembly code for 6502+.
I need more closely knit Apple II info. It's there, just all over God's
internet. Would be nice to have that Opus II package. Just can't
swing it right now.

> >Just about everything that is developed stops just before it
> >is ready to be of any use. And most of it wants me to load

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> >nothing is backward compatible, making people buy and buy
> >and still never have a complete system that does it all.
>
> I think you've captured the tenor of the complaints.

Absolutely.

> Whining isn't very useful, and so should generally be discouraged.
> (Of course, market researchers could get a lot of good product
> feedback from a survey of the whining.)  Pointing out what a system
> can and cannot do is potentially quite useful to those who are in the
> process of deciding what to get to solve their problem.

Yes, for example, I placed a superdrive controller in slot 5 of my IIe,
then attached the 800k drive. Leaving the 5.25 empty of disk, it sat
there waiting for one, never scanning down to slot 5 for the 800k.
Why? Whine to me please. ;-)

> >Let's get together and make the Apple II like Woz did, with
> >persistance and insistance. Am I getting my point across or
> >am I talking to a wall? Maybe, but I want my Apple IIs to
> >sing and dance as much as they can, don't you?
>
> I sure do!  My past efforts have been directed toward making
> Apple II's "sing" (see .sig), but lately I've been using them to do
> things that depend on specialized peripherals, so my efforts are
> not of general interest. ;-)

Many have ideas that are being performed inside the machine.
This is all well and good for their machine, but what about others,
they would need to perform all the same hacks and what if they
have no knowledge of the inner workings? I believe that the Apple
II should remain intact whenever possible. Thusly requiring cards
cables and the like which can be connected by even the least
knowledgeable. Agreed?

Thank you very much and I hope I get some of that whining
over the next few weeks, months, and hopefully years.

Bill @ GarberStreet Enterprises
http://garberstreet.netfirms.com




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