Exegete wrote:
Glen wrote:Exegete wrote:Glen wrote:I've seen any number of "Intro. to Computers/ing" books, and all of them spend at least a page or so covering even the Analytical Machine.Until Win2000/XP, the basis of all M$ "personal" Windows were based on CP/M, through it's descendant MS-DOS. If Glen were a teacher/student of computer science surely he would know that.RoyRoss.Funny thing is I am one of the few people who acutally has degrees in both History and Computer Science (come on how many can there be).Yeah well sorry-- I've been use Unix and Linux servers and Linux pcs for a long time. I wasn't aware that one had to know the MS product line to be competent. In fact IHMO the less MS software you use the more likely your stuff is to actually work.The point isn't what OS/Language/Application you use, but that you said you had no idea what CP/M was. I really don't see how someone with a degree Computer Science would be able to say the first seven words of this sentence:Your way too touchy about this CP/M issue. Try to relax ok?! I'm sorry this is all cross posted all over four newsgroups. I normally would never flame an OS newsgroup by saying something negative about the OS on it.Of course you take it personally that I don't know what it is. It is impossible for me to know every techology out there. I have to focus on the ones that I know relate to and extend my existing experience. We a at the worse time in 20 years to be unemployed and being a software developer is not as great as it was just 3 years ago. I have a bookshelf of dozens of books of stuff that I need to get around to reading.Actually Glen, I wasn't taking it personally, but I can see where it might seem like that.Nor, as Kelly seemed to think, was I suggesting that you actually expend any effort learning CP/M, or how to program in it, or whatever. Just it's existence. Kelly mentioned Multitics (sigh, I know that's misspelled, but for the life of me....) and IBM's 360 OS, I know OF them, and that's all I would expect of anyone getting a B.S. in Computer Science today, to know of some of the Mainframe/Mini (VAX? Unix)/Microcomputer OSs.
What?! Kids that age are in a phantasy world. They get an A and they view it as a validation that they are experts. Some professors are excellent-- some are terrible. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot in between. Many colleges have programs that have little or nothing to do with the real world. My school had a class in unix shell scripting but did not have any classes in OO design... shhhs.
I have no idea what CP/M is but its definately not on my list of things I've got to know.I suppose you have no idea what the 4004, 8008, or 8080 were either? Nor the Z-80, 8085, 9900, 6800, 6809, 6502. If so, you need to trot down to your university and demand a refund.Hint, the 8085 was used, not only in some microcomputers, but in a certain little robot on the next planet out from earth.Hint: Yes I do know this stuff. I have used some of the above chips. I would esp. agree that everyone should know what the 4004 is.And that's what I think about CP/M (BTW, I'm reading this on the Apple 2 newsgroup.) You don't think someone should learn how to program the 4004 do you? I wouldn't. Nor do I think they should have to learn how to program for CP/M.
Well I spend about half an hour today reading about CP/M. I can see where it would be great for someone who wants to learn more about operating systems.
The readrec.games.video.classic becuase I am interested in some of this old technology. Actually I'm more interested in the older 60000 series chips.RoyPS: I don't have a degree in computer science, but I do have degrees in History, Philosophy and Theology. And I have run CP/M, MS-DOS, PC-DOS, DR-DOS, TRSDOS, AppleDOS, ProDOS, SOS, LisaOS, MacOS, OS/2, and, perhaps someday, Linux.Glen.-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----Well I've administered or owned: AmigaDos 1.2 to 3.0, MS-DOS, Windows 95 and NT, Linux from its pre CNBC days until recently, SCO Unix, some Cisco routers, and a big old IBM RS/6000 AIX server.I've also been a user of: MAC OS 6 and 7, Win 3.1, Novell stuff, VMS, Hp Unix, SunOS and Solaris.I left out a few (I just for got about them) but, for instance this is typed on a WinXP box.So yeah I've been exposed to some different stuff. But no I don't think I know everthing.Sure some schools do a bad job teaching about real operating systems. I'm sure you can find more than one 4 year grad would can't even name two non-microsoft operating systems.So I'm learning, after speaking to a CS student who's one of my church members.I was once able to get OS/2 running on a PS/1, now if I could only get Linux to run on this Compaq XP box.....Roy
Oh. You want linux eh? Well first step is to check the hardware compatibility list at redhat.com. The video card and the network card are the most trouble. Its difficult without a second hard drive. IT would be easier to dig up an old 386 or greater machine and put it on that while you learn.
Glen.