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Re: Did the Apple II use single-density 5.25" drives?



On 6/7/2013 9:19 AM, retrogear wrote:
On Thursday, June 6, 2013 11:56:56 PM UTC-5, mdj wrote:
On Friday, 7 June 2013 13:00:36 UTC+10, Michael Black wrote: > That's interesting. The Apple drives may have been able to do 40 tracks, > > perhaps it was easier to just use the same drives minus the controller > > board that were standard. Who knows. The mechanisms used by Apple are physically limited to 35 tracks*. 40 tracks works just fine with capable drives with modest patching of the operating system, but did not become widespread due to the inherent incompatibility with the vastly more common official drives. * In practice the Apple drives can do 36 tracks. Some copy protection mechanisms used this little known fact. I'm unsure whether this was particular to the ALPS mechanisms or worked with the Shugart Disk ][ as well, but I assume it did. Matt

The way I remember it was I had Apple II drives that were Tandon mechanism and would only read 35 tracks. I had a Micro-Sci drive that was a Shugart mechanism that I was able to modify Dos 3.3 to do 40 tracks. Again, that was 20+ years ago so fuzzy at best... Larry

That's right... the original mechanism specification only required movement through 35 tracks; I've had early floppy media with some characteristics like smaller access windows and smaller writable area that would not allow head movement through 40 tracks. Time passed, and media and mechanisms all supported 40 tracks - but OSes on the Apple II side never expanded to take advantage of it.

Of course as mentioned earlier, changing horses mid-stream makes for incompatibilities. And Apple already had a couple under its belt... 13/16 sectors, DOS/ProDOS.