the program I was doing in this thread was just a screen loader, I am making a game, but I am also making some hardware for use of the apple II, so its on the back burner ... this retrospectiva thing doesnt end till April so it will be a bit (and its all in standard HGR2) and no problem about the plug, they love it when you post links to kick arse tools, and you have a few laying around the shop =)