Re: Interview with the Apple IIGS kid

[Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012, BLuRry wrote:

> I remember my favorite reference was a pink/white cheatsheet.  I don't 
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There was a magazine, was it called "6502" or "Micro"? I can't remember, 
out of Chelmsford, MA.  Devoted to the 6502 until they started covering 
the 6809 and then later the 68000 (I think it was still around for the 
68000).  They issued 3 or 4 volumes of "Best of", and I think one of them 
had some removeable cards, and I can almost picture one for the Apple II, 
it almost seems like what you describe.

   Michael

> By the way, the //gs monitor and the ][DB debugging rom monitor are pretty similar and offer better disassembly and memory dump features in 80-column mode.  I believe AppleWin supports the ][DB rom.  Jace also does as well (in fact there's a configuration switch that allows you to enable it without rebooting.)
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> > > > > > Find my Apple II projects online at:
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> > > > > Ding Wen is now starting to look into... 6502 assembly language!
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> > > -michael - NadaNet 3.1 and AppleCrate II: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon
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> > I wholeheartedly agree with Michael.  I learned 6502 starting with the code on page 48 of the Apple II reference manual.  A simple program that combines the concepts of the monitor, hex code, machine code, and mnemonics.  Along with the 6502 reference and monitor listings in the back, it was kind of like the Rosetta Stone for me.
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> > Dave...