Re: The Apple ][ was crap

[Roy Miller <millers@iliveinnetnebr.com>]

RaYzor wrote:

> The Apple ][ series was a travesty to home and educational computing.  Armed
> with the ugliest color palette known to man, and Steve "I'm a Damn Psychotic
> Assclown" Jobs at the head of the company, the Apple ][ failed to sell as
> many units as the Commodore 64, and managed to have worse graphics than the
> useless Sinclair Spectrum.  But it WAS better than anything Radio Shack sold
> in the 80's (then again what wasn't?)
>
> .. and yes before you start, the  ][ GS _WAS_ an improvement, but not by
> much .... and this is NOT about the GS.
>
> Discuss, citing examples as to why Commodore _OWNED_ Apple in sales and user
> base... why Steve Jobs was a nut case ... and why TRS-80 sucks even worse
> than Apple ][.

I know this is nothing but Troll Bait, but I'll bite anyway. First, your history
is all wet. The Apple II came out in 1977, what color computer did Commodore or
Radio Shack sell then? You guessed it... NONE. The Apple II's colors were a
quantum leap forward over those two. Did the C-64 have better colors? Slightly,
however, it didn't appear until what? 1983? Surely they could have done much
better in the intervening 6 years.

The reason that the II was so successful, so long after it was surpassed by
machines with superior color and sound was very simple: software. Tens of
thousands more programs than the Commodore or Atari ever had. Which is why,
1986, the IIe was still king of the home and school, and why Apple kept selling
the machine until 1993. How long was the C-64's life span?

I'm not so sure that the C-64 DID sell more units than the II... not when you
count the II, the II+, the IIe, the IIc, the IIc+ and the IIgs. Just to make it
fair, add the C-128 to the C-64, and then add in all the various II models. OH!
Yes, to really make it fair, we should also add the Franklin 1000, 1000Plus,
1200, 500, and 2000 series. And let's not forget the Laser 128!! Perhaps we
should also count the Trackstars so that IBM's could run II software, and
finally have more colors than CGA could display. And perhaps we should also
count the Spartans which attached to C-64s so they could run II+ software, that
never did make it to the C-64 world.

The real wonder is that the II ran from `77 until `93, the longest life span of
any micro computer, and moved from 8 to 16 bit without missing a beat.

BTW - what models are currently being sold under the Commodore brand??

Roy

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