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Re: New Apple II SuperSite Online
In article <8s87ld$i02$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Michael <michael@apple2world.com> wrote:
> Quantum Cat:
>
> It's apparent to me that you have no desire what so ever to help the
> apple2 community... no matter what happens, you seem to down others
> efforts to make the apple2 live on...
>
> As a matter of fact, I have seen you contribute not *ONE* thing to
> help Apple,
Well, if the purpose of this ng is to help Apple Computer, then all
Apple II users should abandon their II's and buy Macintoshes instead,
because Apple Computer will profit much more from that.....
> Everyone on this group has one thing in common, they have an
> appreciation for the Apple II computer, they appreciate what it has
> done for the world... if it weren't for the apple II, home computers
> may not be here today,
Please don't overrate the Apple II that much. If there never had
been an Apple II, there would CERTAINLY still have been home
computers!!! Remember that many home computer users used other
computers than the II. There was for instance all those computer
running CP/M, a movement which would have prevailed even in the
absence of the Apple II.
> or at the least, be where they are today.
So what would the computing world have been like if there never
had been any Apple II ??? Only one thing can be said for sure:
there would be no Macintosh either. And possibly the GUI wouldn't
have been as ubiqutous as it is today.
But there STILL WOULD HAVE BEEN home computers, even in the
absence of the Apple II !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I'm 27, and I've got one of every Apple II made.... they sit in a display
> case - for people to look at, that would never understand or appreciate
> what they were, or even still are today.
You never use them?
> My son will never know what a 5.25 floppy is,
Why not? My son knows what a 5.25" floppy is -- I still use them
occasionally. He even knows whan an 8" floppy is -- I still have a
dozen or so 8" floppies from the CP/M days, although I have no 8"
floppy reader. I used to convert these 8" floppies to 5.25" Apple
CP/M floppies on a former job of mine, where there was an Apple II
equipped with 8" floppies!
> or a green phospor monitor
My son doesn't know that either, since I preferred yellow-orange
phosphor monitors....
> - he'll never know the joys of the old computer swap meets where someone
> built an interface to their Apple to control
Probably not -- just like you never knew the joys of similar
activities of your father's generation, where they built e.g. model
railroads or model airplanes. Each generation have their favourite
hobbies, and for my son it's Nintendo TV game stuff. You and I frown
at that of course, but he seems to be having fun.
Each generation have their own amusements, and each generation will
know little about the amusements of other generations. You seem to
mourn that other generations don't know the amusements of your
generation, but are you also mourning that your generation don't know
the amusements of other generations?
> which satellites they watched on their old 30 foot satelite dish in
> the back yard, or going into a software store and seeing an Apple,
> Commodore, Amiga, Atari and Apple section - he'll just see IBM.
He won't -- only a minority of today's PC's are manufactured by
IBM. So instead of IBM, he'll see Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc etc.
And I'll tell you what: one can have just as fun with a PC as one can
have with an Apple II !!!!! The properties of both machines are very
similar: both are open and well-documented architectures, all of the
computer is available to "dig into", you can do your own hardware
construction projects on both, there are tons and tons of software
available for both, both can be and have been emulated on more
powerful computers, etc etc etc etc. This is quite different from
the more closed architectures of the Apple Macintosh and the IBM PS/2.
> All of these things brought us to where we are today.... and
> they are all here because of the two guys who had vision and brains
> (Steve and Steve), and made it a reality.
Again there WOULD HAVE BEEN personal home computers today, even
without the Apple II .....
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