Re: Asimov Site

[Roy and/or Janet Miller <millers@inetnebr.com>]

Paul Schlyter wrote:

> In article <ovkq5.75185$rd1.13134486@typhoon-news1.southeast.rr.com>,
> **** **** <***@***.com> wrote:
>
> >> What is corporatism? Where does it prevail? How, if at all, does it bear
> >> upon capitalism? Please supply facts and sources.
> >
> > Ah. Nice way to change the subject. You see the flaws in capitalism, but
> > rather than acknowledge anything I say, you simply ignore that I said it.
>
> Well, Roy always seems to be defending "his" system,

As any idiot would know, it isn't "my" system, but it is the system, greatly
modified and distorted, used in the country which is my home, and frankly, I like
it better than yours Paul.

> with flaws,
> rather tha acknowledging the benefits other systems may have.

When one has been attacked, they do not normally start applauding the attacker.
but since Sweden has a long history of being an aggressor nation in Europe,
perhaps Paul doesn't have the experience to know what it like to be attacked.

> Read
> his response to my description of our "everybody's right", which
> enables people to freely walk around as long as they don't destroy
> and don't disturb.  Roy pointed out that this freedom to move around
> has its restrictions because one isn't allowed to destroy or disturb

I believe you are referring to someone else's post. I just double checked, and I
don't see any response that I have made to your comments on that issue. Midnight
sun in your eyes? I have noticed however that you have a real streak of hatred
toward the United States. Hatred isn't a positive value.

>
> (which of course is correct, but it appeared he thought of it as a
> disadantage rather than mutual care), and then he concluded that he
> preferred to remain on his own land

Land, in English has more than one meaning. I do prefer my land, that is, my
country, to any other that I know of. There is more freedom here, as I value it,
than in any other country. The sad thing is that it is gradually being taking
away, as government takes more and more control of our lives, to protect us from
ourselves, as though we were children.

> and everyone else should remin on
> theirs (a thought: many people don't have any land of their own --
> where should they go?).  He didn't claim his system, was the ultimate
> "freedom" though....
>
> > Corporatism could be said to be the extreme of capitalism, as Stalinism
> > could be said to be the extreme of Marxism. In the most specific sense,
> > corporatism is the philosophy that not only should the law allow business
> > entities with no individual accountability, but that these same
> > corporations are in some way arbitrarily superior to any other citizen. That
> > these corporations have unwritten privileges to negotiate their own taxes,
> > and an open door to the legislature that few citizens enjoy. Guess these
> > aren't facts though. Well, blind or stupid, you'll still hurt as much as the
> > rest of us. That kinda makes me feel better.
>
> I.e. it's just an example of "...money is justice..."
>
> >> 1. I don't think that capitalism "sucks", but some capitalists are rather
> >> nasty people
> >
> > Ah. The idea that all things exist to be bought and sold, is ok with you.
> > Even though it means people also, and discovered land whether or not there
> > are indigenous people on it (they are just another resource to be exploited
> > on said land anyway!). No, not "some" capitalists, MANY capitalists are
> > nasty people. A large minority at least, and that is being generous.
>
> Perhaps Capitalism tranforms people to become like that?  Give any nice
> ordinary fellow a very large amount of money, and watch him transform into
> something else....

LOL, hey Paul, I've got news for you big boy, there are millions of capitalists in
America, and few of them have a very large amount of money. A capitalist is
someone with capital, and believes in investing it. Like people who open computer
stores, or shoe repair shops, or who have an IRA or 401K that is invested in
securities. They are all capitalists. And in this country, the truly wonderful
thing is that that is spreading. Oh, in America Paul, the percentage of the
population that owns it's own home (land) is at an all time high. I suspect that
countries where the percentage is low are countries with differing economic
systems.

>
>
> > I am
> > willing to bet that those who fall into your 'not nasty' category aren't die
> > hard capitalists either, just people living however seems the most
> > convenient. Capitalism is a BAD idea. I don't deny there are worse ideas
> > (communism, etc), and I don't have a clear BETTER idea as of the moment.
> >
> > If people could somehow be taught to feel that they are caretakers, and not
> > owners.... of land, of possessions. If they could be taught to trust, and be
> > trustworthy. If they could be taught that you don't have to be compensated
> > for everything you do immediately, without it turning into usury, the world
> > would be a better place. The cool thing though, is that maybe, just maybe,
> > those things might not have to happen first. Maybe those are the effects,
> > it's the cause that we need to look for
>
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