I have done most things from my GS via a standard shell account: for irc: ircii is the prefered client, web: Linx. usenet: tin all Unix based. As to speed, I have a 28.8 hooked up and it seems to do just fine. btw: all the above are while using ZLINK. Java script otoh....forget it! -Bart Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.