Re: Apple II-Or Come on people, It's a 20 year old computer

[sebsauvage@bigfoot.com (S�bastien SAUVAGE)]

pausch@saafNOSPAM.se (Paul Schlyter) wrote in 
<8ippuu$de6$1@merope.saaf.se>:

>In article <395042D8.F250D99A@wanadoo.nl>,
>ruud.dingemans <ruud.dingemans@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> 
>>> I've never seen a more impotent computer than the Apple Lisa....
>> 
>> Hey, a bit more respect for the grandmother of all modern personal
>> computers, ok.
> 
>FYI: the majority of today's modern computers did NOT evolve from the
>Lisa.  Many people frown on this, but "the grandmother of most modern
>computers" happens to be the IBM PC.  Reality isn't always as
>exciting as some would like it to be.

mmm... so you're saying that modern computer do not have a mouse,
overlaping windows, menus, icons, toolboxes...

At the time I first used Lisa, a PC Mouse was a rare item, and PCs were
hardly evolving from text mode.


[History]
Witnessing the success of the Apple II, IBM decided to quickly
create and sell a Personal Computer, because IBM sensed that the
time of huge computers was over.
Now, who started the personal computer industry ?

[History]
At the time the Macintosh came out, IBM and Microsoft said that
the Macintosh was a "toy" and the mouse a "gadget".

How fun...    |-D


> 
>> It may have been a flop at the time because of cost, but it started a
>> revolution nonetheless.
> 
>No it didn't.  The original idea was stolen by Apple from Xerox, so
>Lisa wasn't the original computer with a GUI.  And the Lisa was
>simply too expensive to start a "revolution" on the market -- the
>Macintosh did that.

The idea was not that 'stolen'. Apple bought Xerox's Lab at PaloAlto.

But this is true that the first GUI computer were Xerox's.


>That won't leave much of a revolution to the Lisa, right?

Wrong.


>And, yes, I'll give the Lisa and Mac another credit: they spawned a
>religious war which was to last for over a decade, about which was
>the "best" computer.

The same kind of wars originated from Amiga, AtariST and PC users.



>  This war even raged on within Apple, and in the
>end it killed the Apple II line of computers some years earlier than
>it otherwise probably would have died.  It became particularly
>pathetic when people advicating the Mac, Atari and Amiga got together
>to hotly debate *which* GUI was the "best"....

True.
No computer is the *best*.
This kind of debate is dead end.


-- 
==================================
S�bastien SAUVAGE
sebsauvage@bigfoot.com
http://www.bigfoot.com/~sebsauvage
==================================