Hmmm....I think they have a dialup near me, too. I'll have to look into them for ISP service--mine is coming up for renewal soon, and who knows if they're going to keep shell access. Thanks, Joe--sounds like Foxvalley is interested in our business! :) Penman -- Anon news web interface. FAQ available for review at: http://packetderm.cotse.com/cgi-bin/blockit.cgi