Re: Apple and the Holy War

["Dain Neater" <dneater@inebraska.com>]

Why does this matter?  A computer is a computer.  I know people who still
only use their Apple IIgs to do everything.  I also know people that only
own a 800mhz Pentium III.
I guess I just don't understand what the hell it matters what you choose to
use.  I personally have a Powerbook( and I get sick and tired of people
acting like I was an idiot for getting one, it also really irks me that
these same people haven't used a Mac in 10 years), I also own a PC that is
AMD powered.   Both are computers.  Both are  tools.  Does it really matter
as long as they can send e-mail and spout information to the masses.
Most likely computers as we know them are only a passing fancy that we will
all be laughed at for using 50 years from now.
I personally applaud AMD for the successes that they have had and what they
have done for competition.
Supertimer <supertimer@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Apple Computers and especially Steve Jobs is funny.  The
> intial success of the Apple II was based on a practical
> machine that Wozniak designed and the early Apple
> manufactured to exacting standards.  So good was the
> Apple II and so expandable that original units are still
> running.  It was a good computer, period.
I love the Apple II, but let's face it, it was a hack job.  To me it was the
greatest hack job in the world, but still a hack job.
>
> But when the IBM PC came out, it was also a practical
> computer although, in my opinion, not nearly as well
> designed as the Apple II.  Jobs, in a fit of delusional rage,
> started to label IBM as an evil entity.  He and the Apple
> he remade in his image lost sight of everything and went
> on a holy war to destroy "Big Brother."  I think that is the
> main reason why he hated the Apple II so much because
> in his eyes, the Apple II was the same type of machine
> as the PC.  What he did not realize was that a practical
> machine better designed can triumpth against another
> practical machine less well designed.
I am not a real big Jobs fan, but from what I have read on Woz's site,
without Jobs there would be no Apple II,  Steve W would never have put it
out.   I personally have no great love for Steve Jobs, and he may have not
designed the hardware, but without him we would all be lucky to have a
motherboard in a wooden box for our Apple IIs.
>
> Instead, Jobs forced the design of several impractical
> machines (Lisa, Apple III, and the original Macintosh)
> and tried to bend the public to his vision.
>
Steve Jobs started the Macintosh Project because he wasn't  allowed to work
on the Lisa Project.  Apple Computer failed because at its very essence was
a company that really wasn't a company in the traditional sense.  It lacked
the direction and the drone mentality that pushes a successful corporation
to that next level.

>
> I have to laugh when some Mac users have never
> heard of AMD but continue to think that Intel is the
> Big Brother out there because interestingly, when
> Mac users were mumbling to each other that the
> Intel chips will never reach 500Mhz, AMD was
> already designing a next generation processor
> capable of going twice that clock speed.
You know what, the fact that Mac users don't know who the hell AMD is a
telling point.  The general Mac user cares very little about the underlying
technology, just that it works.  Not to mention, most people I know that use
Macs(and PCs) don't really think about Big Brother...that is something
better left to Paranoid people who stock up water and Beef Jerky for Y2K
disasters.



>
> That's why AMD has beat not only Motorolla/Apple
> but also Intel to the holy grail of 1Ghz.  That's right,
> Mac folks, the 1Ghz AMD K7 Athlon processor is
> now being massed produced and shipped in PCs to
> consumers right now.  These are not refrigerated/
> overclocked units but production units.
So does this Holy Grail 1Ghz AMD K7 Athlon grant eternal life or something?
Oh goody I get to launch MS Word in less time....several seconds is just too
long....or maybe...now I can push 14.3 billion triangles a second.....

>
> So when Mac users were jumping around about how
> the G4 500Mhz could beat the 750Mhz Pentium II,
> AMD comes out with the 1Ghz Athlon that could beat
> them all and cost less that both.  ;-)
There were times when this(I am not sure about now) 1Ghz Athlon cost more
than any PC chip on the Market, save for one of those Xenon things Intel
puts out.


I guess my whole point of this is this....
If you are an idiot, and you get a 1Ghz Athlon you are still an idiot.  If
you are a genius and you get a 1Ghz Athlon you are still a genius.


>
> When will Jobs and his following ever learn

I think that Jobs has learned a lot.  He may still be a nut job, but he is
pushing units.