Re: Apple 2 Where/How much

[supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer)]

spec@vax2.concordia.ca (Mitchell Spector) wrote:

>In article supertimer@aol.com (Supertimer) writes...
>
>>I'm not looking for a fight, Mitch.
>
>    Good, since I'm not either. :)
>
>>I'm just answering your "I can't think of any example where it'd 
>>be okay in my book asking some $300-$1000 for _any_ Apple II setup."
>> 
>>Yes, I understand that the SuperDrive card is rare and
>>laser printers and SVGA units work on other computers.
>>But you DID say "Apple II setup" and setup includes
>>the peripherals.
>
>    Well let's say we replace the Apple IIgs that is floating
>among all those peripherals and replace it with an 8088 PC/XT.
>Most of those things you bundled with the IIgs will function
>on an 8088 (I've even seen a 17" monitor connected, using an
>old ISA SVGA video card). 
>
>    Now, would it then be fair to say 8088 PC's can be worth 
>something in the $300-$1,000 range? Once again you would be
>paying for the peripherals and basically getting the machine
>for free.

I wouldnt say the 8088 was worth over $300, but I
would say this particular 8088 SETUP was worth
over $300.  You claimed you could think of no Apple II
SETUP that was worth more than $300 and then you
yourself provided one by listing your own peripherals
(superdrive+superdrive card+zipgs15/64).

But I think sticking in an 8088 is not a fair comparison.
The 8088 could not do the things a loaded IIGS can.
Try running GeoWorks on it (a GUI that, when run
on an 8088, is really lame compared to what GS/OS could
do with a standard IIGS).  What software for the 8088
can make good use of an ink jet or laser printer?  I'm
thinking of something at least as usable as AWGS
with Harmonie.

No, you won't find such an 8088 setup, but you WILL
find a IIGS setup like this.  You could probably also
find a 286 setup like this, which is much more comparable.
If I saw a REALLY beefed up 286, like a beefed up
IIGS, I could put it to use.  The 8088 is a little TOO
retro.  Like a IIe, really.  And how many IIe units do
you find with laser printers compared to IIGS units?
OF COURSE MORE IIGS UNITS BECAUSE THE
IIGS CAN ACTUALLY MAKE PRETTY GOOD
USE OF THE LASER PRINTER.  A IIe or 8088 do
not really.

But look, you are trying to drag me into an argument
again and I don't want to do that.  I'm just saying that
there ARE IIGS SETUPS that are worth more than
$300, contrary to what you said.