Re: Nathan and the Apple Community.

[Erick Wagner <wagnere@concentric.net>]

Robert Liptak wrote:
> 
>      Everyone is responding to the reasons why Nathan Mates left the
> Apple II community and to me the point is mute since he already has done it.
> Everyone keeps talking about their opinions wheather they feel his reasons
> were justified or that he responded irrationally but in the end a person has
> a right to do whatever he wants to. Yes it is sad that he choose to leave
> when he is a very talented programmer and did lots for the Apple II community.
> It is ashame he felt that noone appreciated his work when the opposite if
> true. He did raise some very good topics and issues facing the Apple II
> community. The only thing I didn't like is the way he stated that the
> Apple II community didn't care about facing these topics or issues and
> things that need to be addressed by the Apple II Community.
>     I am concerned and mad about people who commit piratecy and just
> think every program written for the Apple II computers is public domain
> just because Apple no longer supports the line. Even when certain companies
> are still making new software available and are still supporting their
> software. As for the examples like Proterm 3.1 and AppleWorks 5.1 being
> loaded up to an archive when the people who did so knew darn well that this
> software was still commercially available and supported. This was truely
> unexcusable. As Nathan's view he feels the whole Apple II community doesn't
> care about the pirating that currently goes on. Even if I or the Apple II
> community feel it is wrong what can we do to make it stop people who pirate
> just ignore everyone anyway and the only way you could do something is by
> taking legal action. It is only the company, person, or whoever has bought
> the rights to the software program that has the right to take legal action
> against these people that commit piratecy. If there was something that
> everyone can really do to stop software piratecy let it be known because
> most people really don't know what to do. Only the companies and people
> who still write and support software programs for the Apple II computers
> are the only ones that can do anything legally as well. What do we do
> about the programs that are no longer supported by the companies or person
> that made it. As with the company they may no longer be in business and
> noone picked up the rights to the software. When even though the comany my
> be defunct the person or whomever owned the company still has the rights
> and you still need to get permission to distribute the software in anyway.
> Maybe the software or even hardware companies who are still in business
> should pick up these programs and make them available and if they want to
> choose to further development is they have enough response by people by
> them then they would if they wanted to. This has not been the case and
> companies or peoplehave only have picked rights to certain programs.
> Leaving alot of programs only to be bought used from the CSA2 marketplace.
> Some people believe that the programs that are not supported or made
> available commercially or by personal means should be uploaded to archives
> for prosperity so we don't loose these programs but if this were to be
> done ot should be the concensus of the Apple II community.
>         As for Nathan biggest pet peeave is what can we do about the
> pirates that are a cancer in the Apple II community. Like I said even if
> we band together as a whole in the Apple II community no matter what we
> could do would not stop the pirates since they are going to do what they
> are doing no matter what people say. Beyond prosecuting them through the
> courts there is nothing you could truely do. I do have a sugesstion an
> idea how to discourage people who pirate programs.
> 
>                                         A Loyal Apple IIGS Users

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