Re: Rough all over

[Rubywand <rubywand@swbell.net>]

Doede Boomsma writes ...
> 
> Rubywand <rubywand@swbell.net> wrote:
> 
> >      Meanwhile,  <SNIP>
> 
> Both Tom and Pim are right. I realize this isn't two weeks later, but
> here's a reply...
> 
> I see that if someone (newbie or not) asks a question (simple or not) he
> or she ALWAYS gets additional information on suckers/ pirates/ spammers/
> you_know_what.
>

     Too often, one or two persons have replied with insulting remarks.
For sure, that is wrong. It happens less often now. In fact, as a rule,
users are getting questions answered more quickly and in more detail
than ever before.


 
> Why the heck do certain people always have to supply this information.

     The insults? Certain people do that because they can not help but
try to put down others. They are a bother.



> Once I had a great idea of buying 4 MB memory cards for the GS. I posted
> a message in a FIDO area and got flamed. That was in my beginning-modem
> days. This gave me quite an unpleasant feeling, so I left. Never came
> back, though some folks in that area might have thought: "hey, a new
> guy. Nice to have a new guy around, maybe he's got interesting things,
> insights that we don't have", etc.

     Perhaps, if you had stuck around, you would have found more of the
friendly, helpful users in the FIDO area.


> 
> This week I have been on a professional training. University beta
> students sometimes need such trainings. I learned that it is not so good
> to judge about people on first sight. Of course you can have thoughts
> about someone, but you should not ventilate them. Certainly not in
> public. Try to see good things in people.

     Agree! An open forum like Csa2 has many, many helpful people; but,
we have a few dweebs, too. Just as you wish that Csa2 regulars will
treat newbies well, most Csa2 regulars wish that newbies will avoid snap
judgements.



 
> If you have to deal with a certain group where questions are frequently
> asked, you can write a so called FAQ. When a newbie asks a f.a.q, you
> can do 2 things:
> 
> Newbie asks: where are some good Apple II ftp sites?
> 
> scenario 1: "Hey you, I told you newbies before: READ THE FAQ!!!! it can
> be found at http://blah.blah.nl/. Read it before you come back. You suck
> because you cannot read.
 ....

> 
> scenario 2: "Hi Frits, we have six major Apple II ftp sites. Two who
> come directly to mind, are  ftpsite1 and ftpsite 2.

 ....

> 
> What scenario looks better?

     My usual practice is to just post the answer if I know it. That is
what most people here do.

     In fact, the (for-real) FAQs policy is to encourage asking a
question on Csa2 whether or not there may be information available in
Ground's FAQs folder. This helps other users who read Csa2; and, often,
information not in the FAQs is provided by David Empson, Supertimer,
Mitch Spector, or some other knowledgeable user.



> Which one promotes a "group" feeling. What I
> sense here, is quarrelsome behavior. A few persons dominate the sphere
> in this newsgroup. And I can tell you that it is not a positive
> influence.

     A few-- very few-- posters are insulting. They no longer "dominate"
anything here. As for quarrelsome behavior, those who are routinely rude
can count upon being attacked. That is as it should be on an open forum.


 
> I mentioned before that I ran a BBS: Dark Castle BBS. It had quite a few
> enthousiastic (in real life busy) people. They didn't login too often,
> but those who did visited c.s.a.2. a few times. Their reaction: "damn,
> if this is internet, if this is America (what we look up to so much!),
> it sucks. Childish. Okay, they have some knowledgable persons, but the
> sphere sucks. I'm not going to stick around here; I have better things
> to do."

     This can, at times, be a rough place and there is just so much
'hand-holding' friendly users can do. At some point, we expect new users
to show some backbone-- almost always, they do fine.



> 
> When seeing too much "unneeded" additional information all the time, you
> get triggered alot. Usually I don't react to this because I try to
> behave like a grown up adult (even though I'm "only" 22). I'm able to
> manage this prety well, but oh what the heck. nobody is listening
> anyway. Just wish here were was a moderator (non American please (no
> offennse meant to the major group of Americans)).
>

     Mildly offensive. In any case, the idea of a moderated Csa2 has
never gained much support. Only on an unmoderated newsgroup can you be
sure of being able to air your opinions, even the offensive ones.


 
> I realize I did ventilate my opinion in public. I know it is wrong, but
> I'm not going to allow to let people walk over other people!!!!!!
>

     Right!!!

 
> Act like you would act in real life, on the street, in the supermarket,
> on your work, etc. If you have problems doing so, please read c.s.a.2.
> This newsgroup contains quite a few good moral lessons every now and
> then.
>

     Yes. Your own post is a good example.

 

Rubywand