Re: IMPEACH JOBS

[M Rassbach <mark@milestonerdl.com>]

Joe Ragosta wrote:

> In article <353A9047.BD0C1EAE@milestonerdl.com>, mark@milestonerdl.com wrote:
>
> > Joe Ragosta wrote:
>
> > was the Newton group.... according to 'a source' I talked with.  Myself and
> > others are actually trying to get this nailed down as truth or rumor.
>
> Really? You've had months and have never produced a shred of evidence.
> ("sources" don't count unless you can name them and provide some real
> facts).

Nice attempt at an argument here Joe.  *IF* I come up with 'hard proof' (A standard
that I would hold anyone to) I'll be sure to let you know.  At least when *I* post
something that is a 'rumor', I state that up front.  Something *YOU* Joe Raosta does
not do.


> >
> > The Newton was killed by Steve Jobs, CEO of cartoon maker Pixar, because of
> > simple spite.
>
> Apple stated that Newton had never made money. I suspect that they have
> better knowledge of the matter than you do.
>
> When you find some facts, feel free to post them. Until then, Apple's
> statements have to stand.

http://www.maccentral.com/news/feb27.shtml
The Newton division, though its products have been selling well recently, have
historically not been profitable.

And I can't find the same quote on Rik Ford's page.

The key word is historically.

> > > But Apple is not a charity. Newton was not making money and there was no
> > > sign that it ever would.
> >
> > Well Joe, if Apple is not a charity, then why are you happy to have
> allowed the
> > Mac to leach off the Apple ][ lines profits all them years?
>
> What kind of nonsense is this? Apple introduced a new product (the Mac).
> Both the Mac and the Apple II were profitable. No leaching involved.

Facts to support your no leaching involved statement.
And with the comp.sys.apple2 added, perhaps some defenders of the 6502 faith will
comment on the 'proof' Joe will offer.

> Even during the development stage when the Mac wasn't making money, your
> point is irrelevant.

Really?  A replacement? Is this the same book of history that has Steve Jobs as the
creator and supporter of the Mac from the start?

[I SOOOOO look forward to seeing the response to the above line.  You see, it's bait
for Joe.]

And, wasn't the Newton project supposed to be a replacement for the MacOS?  Except,
the attitude of "If it's not MacOS, it's not Apple" kept the project from moving in
the direction of it's design concept.

> The Mac was the _replacement_ for the Apple II
> because the Apple II was approaching the end of its lifecycle.
>
> The Newton was a product with out a place or without a future.

Really?  The future was spinning off Newton to Newton Inc.  That future was killed
by Steve Jobs, CEO of cartoon maker Pixar.

> >
> > And how do you know if the Newton made a profit or not?
>
> I rely on Apple's statements--not unnamed "sources".

As this is SO fun.
http://www.maccentral.com/news/feb27.shtml
The Newton division, though its products have been selling well recently, have
historically not been profitable.

I look forward to your acknologement of Apples statement.

> > > The entry of Windows CE devices was going to make
> > > Newton's future even tougher than its past.
> >
> > And a MacOS based portable is better than the Newton HOW WRT WinCE compeition?
>
> Several things--mostly related to marketing.

And, with the HISTORIC Apple marketing, I'm sure MacLite will gain the %2 of the
market, just like the Mac.

> WinCE is convincing people
> that you don't need a different OS on your PDA.

Really?  For some reason, Palm Pilot disproves that concept.

> Whether this claim is
> nonsense or not is beside the point.

Your good at posting nonsense Joe.  I noted that first when you showed up in
comp.newton.misc spewing your bullshit.

> People are starting to expect their
> PDA screen to look just like their computer screen.
>

Given MOST OF THE WORLDS desktops look like Windows, again, how is a further tie to
the niche MacOS benifits Apple's handheld efforts?

> There are probably some advantages in software availability and data
> translation, as well.

Advantages compared to what?

In your mindless MacOS support, you are advocating the scrapping of a platform WITH
software AND developers, for a platform with no known software (see your above
line), no known programmers, and what partners will bother with Apple after the
burning of the Newton/Mac Clones?