Hmmmm. The answer to the first question has something to do with telephony and maybe called a blue box..for making free long distance calls??? Something along those lines anyways. The 2nd was they sold a volkswagon and HP calculator to raise money. -- nlayton@teleport.com www.teleport.com/~nlayton/ ftp.teleport.com/users/nlayton The WAC BBS (503)363-0861 300 - 14.4k 24hrs