Re: Mac fork stipper program MIA (needed for A2s)

[shack@deimos.frii.com (Randy Shackelford)]

In article <5hu2pr$k60@uni.library.ucla.edu>,  <pubpc1@library.ucla.edu> wrote:

[snip]

>It is round-about if you have a GS, which can use GSHK and GSCII+.

Not really. Set Fetch up once to post process the files, and you don't need
to worry about using the right Shrinkit since there are no forks, no worrying
about not seeing files since the types are set, and no need for GSCII since the
binscii decoding is already done too. So doing the work of one app with two or 
more apps seems roundabout to me.

>Look, I know you are trying to uncover the secret that the FAQ
>doesn't want us to know: transfer from a Mac to an Apple II is
>a snap.  I agree with you.  However, in your fight with Nate,
>both of you have unwittingly lead people to believe that the GS
>must use 8-bit Shrink-It! and 8-bit BINSCII and that the GS can't
>handle resource forks with any program.

By "GS" I take it that you mean "IIgs running system 6 with GS/OS active". 
Otherwise, what you're saying doesn't matter. If a person bought a IIgs at a
thrift store and it came without software, for instance, they'd be in the same
boat as someone starting from scratch with an 8 bit box.

>In your example, you said your _GS_ handled the files once ProTYPE
>stripped the resource forks and typed them.  It would have been
>better if you said your _//e_ did so.

Saying that is not adequate. Like I've said before, even ProDOS 8 can handle 
forked files if they're on a server. Here's an excerpt I pulled up from
dejanews which sums it up. From message-id <5her5g$rr$1@europa.frii.com>:

"Hey Beavis, there never was a problem with extended files on a IIgs. You
don't need no stinkin' HC.BXY.FIX or anything else on a IIgs, since GSHK
can open even forked files. Likewise, even 8 bit Shrinkit can open forked
files as long as they're on a server volume. So there is only a problem
when you can only use ProDOS 8 AND you have to use sneakernet to transfer 
files."

My //e doesn't handle too many files these days since it's in its box up in 
the attic for lack of space. That's why I say what OS I'm using rather than 
what box I'm using. When a IIgs is running ProDOS 8, it is functionally the
same as a //e. Everyone should know that by now.

>For the record, if you have a GS and a copy of GSHK, none of this
>argument or the "problems" listed in the FAQ apply!  GSHK does
>not care one bit about the resource fork (and to those who do not
>know, most GS programs HAVE a resource fork).  Also, GSCII+ will
>debinscii any .bsq files without problem, unlike decrepit old
>BINSCII.

Like I said up there. So if you have GS/OS running, you can choose to worry
about forks before or after transferring. The fact that extended files 
unnecessarily waste disk space and the drag 'n drop simplicity of using
ProTYPE are enough for me to use it rather than GSCII or keep the files
extended. And of course, there's no choice if you're sneakernetting files
to ProDOS 8.

>What's needed for GS users is to get them a copy of GSHK (and maybe
>GSCII+) in the first place.  Nate, how about suggesting to Steve
>C. if he would sell disks containing them?  I believe Joe Kohn's
>Shareware Solutions library already has such a disk.

You can use the stuff on the disk to get your own GSHK and Binscii.
-- 
Randy Shackelford                                 
shack@frii.com