Re: ground

["Charles T. Turley" <cturley@wco.com>]

In response to article 32D4B0E5.395E@swbell.net">news:32D4B0E5.395E@swbell.net with th contents 
and comments as noted - I'm certainly no NET GURU or any such thing but, 
I'm on the NET ever day now and do a lot of uploads and downloads. 
Concerning the Ground/apple2/1WSW folder contents...ref. URLS as follow;

ftp://128.255.21.234/2/apple2/1WSW/
http://128.255.21.234/2/apple2/1WSW/

(same is true with the following URL or any others)

http://wco.com/~3d5d1wsw/

(any shrinkit type archive file - using either; MAC, PC or UNIX systems)

may appear as a text file, but it's not. The shrinkit archive files are 
all binary and should be treated as such when downloading them. I've 
test downloaded each and every one of them in the past - with no 
problems.

Using a Mac and Netscape to access either of the Ground URLS above and 
others, the ftp shows the archives as generic white non-specific file 
types. (all of them; .SHK, .SDK .BXY, .txt or whatever they be)

The http shows them all as text (txt) files, (all of them; .SHK, .SDK 
BXY, .txt or whatever they be) 

Downloading them via http or ftp with Netscape and the Mac, they are 
indeed saved to my hard drive or to 3.5 disk, etc. as true ascii text 
files. I have no problems unshrinking or unarchiving them to 3.5 ProDOS 
disks (using Shrink II on the Mac) and then marching that disk over to 
my IIGS and using the programs/applications or files.

I can also do the same with ftp using the Mac and an ftp program such as 
Fetch, Archie, etc. Using Fetch, Archie, etc. I set the download to 
binary first, then download; .SHK, .SDK or .BXY archives as binary and 
they are saved to disk as such. No problem with unshrinking them or 
unarchiving them, etc. as before with the Netscape method.  

The archives (.SHK, .SDK and BXY) may appear as text files, using either 
MAC, PC or UNIX, but rest assured - set your download software to binary 
and download them as binary files - because that's what they are. And, 
apperantly with a PC or UNIX system you need to do this to get them 
transfered and downloaded properly for unshrinking, transfering them and 
using them on your Apple II and IIGS systems. My only experiences is 
with the MAC, so I really can't say what you problems might be using a 
PC or UNIX system.

So, to sum it up with the use of a Mac, I can download them all in 
either manner and use them all with no problems. No file type  
conversions are needed and nothing is ever corrupt.

Other than the process outlined by Rubywand in the article posted 
32D4B0E5.395E@swbell.net">news:32D4B0E5.395E@swbell.net

I have no knowledge of the proceedure for such Apple II/IIGS archive 
downloads with a PC or UNIX system. I know many people have problems 
with obtaining archives via http and/or ftp and they often seem to not 
download properly for unshrinking and transfering to the Apple II and/or 
IIGS. 

I have seen some strange things with respect to archives that will 
download properly one time - then the next time I download the same 
archive, it appears t be corrupt. Then I'll try it again and it's just 
fine. I'm not even going to speculate why this happens but it does - so
be it with the NET :(

I have no desire to use a PC or UNIX, as they are (for me at least) just 
too complicated to use for obtaining Apple II and IIGS archives and then 
transfering these to the Apple II or IIGS for dearchiving and use - 
compared to my experience with the use of the MAC for such efforts. I'm 
just an Apple fellow and nothing else!  I do hope somebody that's a 
skilled NET GURU (with all platforms and systems used) will try to give 
an explaination - as to just what the problems others seem to have - 
might be the result of.

Cheers
Dr. Tom