I know you don't want flames but I don't care its fun :-) First of all The gs is only dead when no one uses it also What about Seven Hills, Softdisk,Westcode, QC and many others? The same goes for DOS. People still use it. Also windows is much better than unix -- barr@railnet.nshore.org (Adam Barr) Railnet BBS + 1 216 786 0476