Re: ZipGS 12MHz on ROM 01?

[dp02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DANIEL PERLBERGER)]

In article <CozDv9.9pA@crash.cts.com>, shack@crash.cts.com (Randy Shackelford) w
rites:
>In article <2pnoic$jl9@jadzia.csos.orst.edu>,
>Critical Mass <daye@CSOS.ORST.EDU> wrote:
>>In article <1994Apr28.003250.28141@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>,
>>DANIEL PERLBERGER <dp02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> wrote:
>>>been out of date for years now.  You are dying for 12 MHZ???  That is
>>>pathetic...  If I had 12 MHZ I think I would die from the waiting of the
>>>computer to process the information.  Face it, the Apple II had been dead, is
>[remaining crap deleted]
>
>You guys don't really think this buttmunch is reading your followups do you?
>He's getting the reaction he wanted to get when he posted this BS. Just let it
>drop.
>--
>Randy Shackelford                                "That's right, keep dancing
>shack@crash.cts.com                               on the minefield"
>                                                                  -Al Bundy
>
>Oh, I've been reading all of the responses.  And I have learned a few things.
 First of all, you view your precious IIGS as some all-powerful deity.  If
 someone even dares say anything against it, then they go ballistic on that
 person.  I was not insulting anyone in particular...I was just commenting on
 a piece of machinery..lighten up!  And, I didn't just write the comment to
 get everyone upset.  I like a heated debate..that is why I have taken the
 time and responded in full to all the people that wrote e-mail messages to me
 (and there has been quite a few).  You people take this computer a little too
 seriously.  Now to shortly discuss some of the points I read on the group.
 First of all, I did not own a IIe (thank God...or would you say thank IIGS?)
 and I am not in II withdrawal.  I owned a
 IIGS when it first came out around '86 and at first I kinda liked it.  That
 was before I learned anything about computers...I really really started to
 hate the thing.  It was so so so slow.  But even if it was the fastest
 machine on Earth, I would have still hated it because I could not find
 software anywhere I looked..I mean anywhere..some stores might have 2 or 3
 titles ..but that was it...And now, when I go to the biggest and brightest
 software stores, there is not ONE title available for the IIGS.  That is a
 definate fact.  But anyways, when I first used a 386sx 16, I was in awe at
 how fast it was in comparison to my IIGS.  Anyone with any kind of sense will
 not even attempt to compare a IIGS with any less than a 286.  A 12 MHZ IIGS
 is very far from being a 40MHZ 386...I don't know what dream world you live
 on, but I live on the one where the IIGS craaaaaawls.  I don't care if you
 put a 30 MHZ board in your IIGS, it could not perform in the same efficiency
 of say a 33MHZ 386DX.  This is simply because of the architechture of the two
 computers.  But before I begin discussing this...let me first say that even a
 386 is now obsolete in most people's minds..so a IIGS is beyond even the word
 "obsolete".  But anyways, a IIGS is nothing more than an upgraded Apple IIe
 in design...Yes, it is technically a 16-bit computer; however, it is a very
 early and simplified version of the 16-bit computer.  386's (DX's) are full
 32-bit computers.  Therefore to state that the IIGS with a 12MHZ speed and it
 being 16-bit is as fast as a 32-bit 40MHZ 386 is absurd.  Anyone I mention
 this to starts laughting.  I mentioned to a few people about some comments I
 received that a IIGS is as good as a 486..and they burst out in laughter...To
 be fair, maybe a low-end 286 is about equal to an accelerated IIGS.  But that
 is not even the main reason why the IIGS really sucks.  IT is the software
 support (or rather the software non-support).  I don't care what fictional,
 no-name companies are named to me...I still know that if I want any kind of
 software imaginable, I can get it in a snap with my PC.  With my IIGS, I
 never could get anything...it was very frustrating.  And, any software that
 might be produced for the IIGS is not going to be even close to the quality
 of the software that is developed for today's computers.  You can disagree
 with this all you want, but this is a fact.  When a large, well-known ,
 respectable company (not Vitesse or some private developers,etc.) develops
 software on a standard platform like Intel's x86 design, it is going to be
 the highest quality possible.  The IIGS, while running its cut down versions
 of software, possibly could be bearable in speed.  But I guaratee you if you
 tried to run any of the PC software developed today (that is if it was
 compatible) , the IIGS would probably have a massive coronary and die a messy
 death.  But I do agree with one person's comment that I saw on here.  Someone
 said that they have their IIGS at home and they use other systems like PC's,
 etc. at work for speed-intesive purposes.  Then he said, "why do I need such a
 PC at home when I have my IIGS?"  You don't!!! That is my point.  If the IIGS
 is going to be used for little, light tasks like simplified word-processing,
 database functions, games, etc., then by all means use the IIGS.  But like
 this guy is doing, when you need a real job done, go to a real computer.  I
 say, any computer that can be upgraded from a IIe is not a real, powerful
 computer.  And just in case you didn't know, Apple used to offer to IIe
 owners an upgrade kit from IIe to IIGS (full upgrade).  Any real cojputers
 like Pc's could never be upgraded from a little shitty 8-bit Apple II computer,
 but your magical, wonderful god-like computer definately can.  Yeah, this
 computer ranks up there with 32-bit Pc's..uh uh..ok..sure...
 Well, that's about it...I just didn't want to leave you folks hanging.  But
 the most important thing, it is only a computer.  It is not the end of the
 world if someone comes to your group and actually talks down to your
 allmighty god.  Hate to tell you this folks, but there is life after the IIGS.
 (a much better, quicker, more productive life actually)

                                            Dan


 P.S.  The more you use foul language and simple insults to answer my posts,
 the more you are making yourselves look bad.  This is just an opinion
 (even though 99% of the computer world would agree with me!)  But, thanks for
 the intelligent responses I did get in e-mail.  It was interesting discussing
 the topic.
  
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