Out of curiosity, I downloaded the gui8bit.shk file (grind.isca or cco.caltech, they appear to be the same) and tried it on my IIe enhanced. Apple-Q (quit) invariably causes a bomb to the monitor *1010. Is this the normal behavior, or is it my machine hardware (eg, Appletalk card-slot 1, _NO_ mouse interface) --Steve steven-nelson@uiowa.edu