TML Systems & Compilers

[cutterjohn <someone@nowhere.com>]

What ever happened to TML Systems?  I hardly see anythign about them 
anywhere and NONE of it is recent.  IIRC the last mention in my current 
searches(haven't really backsearched the newsgroups) is from LAMP ~1994.

I was just curious as I have copies(originals, and they still work!) of 
TML Basic v1.1 & TML Pascal v1.0 & v1.5 upgrade plus the source kit & 
speech kit.  Incidentally, I also have TML Pascal II for the Mac, when I 
switched over and it got me through a good portion of University as 
Pascal was THE language at that time, although we did get them to start 
teaching C, but like all languages those of us pushing it had already 
taught it to ourselves.  I rounded off my GS software with ORCA/M v1.1 
which, fortunately still works, and which I backed up(last week) as this 
one I cannot find images of anywhere and it's what I need for my current 
setup.  (The TMLs for GS I am using my old backup & work disks.)

All, I can remember about it was that it was useful(GS version) for some 
of my very first classes plus a few projects of my own. (Couple of games 
that got about 50% finished before I moved on and then had no time to 
port and/or complete.)

I saw some comments about buggy compilers from TML, but the last one I 
found with any real content was from an old AOL IIGS Dev conference 
which commented that the versions that I had were supposed to fix(and 
apparently did) the outstanding bug from what I recall(vaguely).  Then I 
stumbled across another transcript from AOL(later) which was pushing 
their v2.0 Pascal, in which I enquired about the 32k source code editor 
limit(ran into that again just the other day... }:)  Their IDE was 
pretty nifty, but GS/OS didn't really help that much, although as I look 
back on these machines now it was FAR and AWAY better than Amiga or 
ST/TOS, yet never quite as good as the Mac(intentionally IIRC as the 
rumors went, and I suppose supported by looking through some of my old 
print magazines which listed IIGS sales figure at 2-3 times the MacSE's, 
when Apple wanted to kill the II, and only support the Mac.)

Does anyone know if v2.0 of TML Pascal ever lifted their source code 
editor size limitation?  Was it ever released?  (I had moved to the mac 
and used their decent TML Pascal II + MPW there...)

Has the public rerelease project ever found the copyright holders and 
attempted to get them released?  or were these deemed too buggy or just 
overzealously demonized by their only real competitor?  (Kind of scary 
that on the GS there were really only 2 companies developing compilers, 
yet on the ST/Amiga there were at least 10 different C compilers, maybe 
20 different Modula-2 compilers(0 for GS), 5-10 Pascal compilers, 
100s(or pretty close) Assemblers, 10 HL BASICs(hacked Pascal compilers 
as I suspect that is exactly what some of them were...), etc.  while the 
GS looked like it outsold both of those machines combined in the US...)

(TML Pascal II for the Mac was quite a shock as it shipped with MPW, 
with no fully integrated IDE, but it was nice once you got used to it, 
but a little hefty.  I wonder why Apple never ported commando(the GUI 
for command line stuff) to OSX, as it would have somewhat mollified some 
of the CLIaphobes...