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Re: Disk ][ (Notice I spelled it right? :) ) Query...





Don Bruder wrote:
Hey folks, I'm sitting here wondering...
I've got several physically smashed up, broken-keyboard Apple //es that, cannibalized and combined, have morphed to become a total of two functional (but one cosmetically hosed, with a big ol' chunk missing out of one side of the case) "SuperFat" Enhanced //es. I have christened them "Humpty" and "Dumpty", for reasons that should be self-apparent, and if I can figure out a way to get 'em up and running, and onto my Mac-based LAN, those will be their DNS names :) But I digress... I've got assorted cards for them, some of which (Super Serial, 80-col, ext. 80-col, AE 256K - Most anything that's marked, anyway...) I can identify, and in most cases, I know their purpose for existing. Some leave me utterly clueless. Others, like the stack of Disk][ controller cards, leave me in an in-between state. I know EXACTLY what they are, and I know EXACTLY what their intended purpose is. Unfortunately, there were no Disk ][ drives in the dumpster I dove for these units. The local "not-really-the-Salvation Army store, but a real similar concept" operation used to have a butt-load of them due to an arrangement with several local school districts. Alas, that was last year. Now they only seem to have the newer Unidrive/UniDisk 5.25 and 3.5 units. Now what I'm wondering is this:

I have another disk controller card, labeled "I/O Controller 655-0101-C".
Compare that with the Disk ][ card, which is labeled
"Disk ][ Interface Card 650-X104-8"
After carefuly examining both of them, and sketching out a set of crude but reasonably accurate schematics, unless I'm a *WHOLE LOT* stupider about electronics than what I think I am, I find that they are identical cards, with the exact same circuit, with the exception of the fact that the X104 card connects with two arrays of 2x10 Molex-type connector pins, and the 0101 runs the same traces to a single, flat 20-conductor rainbow cable header (With one pin of the connector being N/C), and the rainbow cable terminates as a female DB-19 connector.

When I say these cards look identical other than the connections, I mean right down to the PROM chips (On both cards, they're Apple part #3410027-A for P5, and 341-028-A for P6, both bearing a 1981 copyright date and the "P5A" and "P6A" notations, respectively) bypass capacitor types and values, support chips, the works. There's some slight trace-routing differences, but the ends of the traces, regardless of how different their paths might be in between, hook up to the same pins on the same chips at both ends, with the exception of the "jump off the card" connection point, where there are substantial differences to go along with the substantially different physical connections being used. Does anyone know if this means that I should be able to hook up the male DB-19 end of a UniDisk or UniDrive 5.25's cable to the X104 (Disk ][) card through a properly wired (probably designed and fabbed by me, since I suspect my life ain't charmed enough to have it be an off-the-shelf item) molex-style header<-->DB-19 adapter, and expect to find myself looking at a functional card/drive combination? Or am I just plumb out of my mind to be coming up with such a hare-brained scheme? Anybody care to weigh in with an opinion on this concept? Yes? No? Maybe? "You're outta yer freekin' head"? "Where can I get some of whatever you've been smoking"? "If I send ya 20 bucks, will ya make me one?" offers? Something else? If so, please don't hesitate to speak up. I'm honestly eager to hear some input on the idea from other people, whatever that input might be. If it's already been done and published, that's fine... Point me at it, please?

There used to be a lot of adapters on the market to convert a disk ][ to
a DB19 connector.
Adapting a 5.25" Unidisk to a Disk ][ card is easy.  You can make an
adapter or if you open up a 5.25" UniDisk you'll find the other end of
that DB19 cable that plugs into the analogue card is a 20 pin molex
connector. So you could just use a cable with a 20 pin molex connector
on both ends and skip the adapter.

Wayne