Re: Amiga, Mac, Atari

[skipper@no-spam.calweb.com (Skipper Smith)]

Roger Johnstone <rojaws@es.co.nz> wrote:
>In <608b6569.0209190652.52cca2b3@posting.google.com> Lewin A.R.W. 
>Edwards wrote:
>> steve@dosius.zzn.com (Dosius) wrote in message news:<9307085f.
>> 0209181124.7ea20a06@posting.google.com>...
>>
>>> Atari's arcade version of Tetris also ran on a 6502.  The Super NES
>>> console ran on a 65C816, which is a 65C02 derivative - other than the
>>> Apple IIgs, the only system I know to use a C816.
>> 
>> The 65C816 core has found new life as the central core in a _HOST_ of
>> very cheap ($1 and less) toy ICs. There are hundreds of thousands made
>> every day. You might be surprised how many 6502 and 65C816 cores are
>> in your kid's toybox...
>
>I spotted this at the Western Design Center's web site some time ago. 
>WDC are the creators of the 65C02 and the 65C816.

Actually, they (under that name) weren't.

Motorola created the 6800.  A few designers walked out the door with the
masks to it and started a company called MOS Technologies and made a chip
called the 6500.  Motorola sued MOS Technologies.  A judge decidedthat
since Motorola made no attempt to secure their intellectual property, the
6800/6500 would from then on be considered public domain.  Motorolans have
had to have the contents of their bags perused upon entering or exiting
Motorola property ever since.

MOS Technologies did a respin of the 6500 to make the 6502 (Motorola also
did a respin) so that they could have proprietary rights to what they were
selling.  They also started other more complicated designs.  Then, for
some reason, decided to sell themselves, lock, stock, and barrel to
CBM.  Commodore renamed that part of the company to something I can't
remember, and proceeded to completely abuse the fab (personal
opinion).  Nintendo decided to use the 6502 in their original game
machine.  Found out that parts of the design were in the public domain and
proceeded to make a duplicate of the 6502 but without the proprietary
information and thus avoided giving CBM a single penny of licensing fees
that probably could have kept CBM afloat in bad times (but more likely
would have just been siphoned off by Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould).

When Commodore went bankrupt, their physical equipment was sold at
auction.  Those parts that had originally been part of MOS Technologies
along with the IP that was part of the 65XX family then went on to become
"Western Design Center".  Everything they say about the estimates for
sockets inhabited by 65XX parts is pretty reasonable, though.

This is all IIRC, but based on my association with Motorola and CBM and
discussions with Dave Haynie, so take it for what it is worth.

>http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/
>
>"It is estimated that there have been more than 2 billion 6502/65C02/
>65C816 embedded processors in applications such as personal computers, 
>video game systems, modems, floppy disk drives, set-top cable boxes, 
>telephones, fax machines, pagers, digital television chip sets, 
>automobile dashboard controllers, hand-held electronic publishing 
>devices, PDA?s, toys, industrial controllers, embedded heart 
>defibrillators and pacemakers, etc. It is also estimated that the 
>installed base of 65C02 and 65C816 embedded processors is growing by 
>more than 200 million units per year, provided by WDC?s sixty-plus 
>licensees."
>
>-- 
>Roger Johnstone, Invercargill, New Zealand
>
>Apple II - FutureCop:LAPD - iMac Game Wizard
>http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~rojaws/
>________________________________________________________________________
>"So we went to Atari and said, 'We've got this amazing thing, even built
>with some of your parts and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll
>give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work
>for you.' They said 'No'. Then we went to Hewlett-Packard; they said,
>'We don't need you. You haven't got through college yet'."
>
>      Apple Computer founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and
>      H-P interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer


-- 
Skipper Smith                         Helpful Knowledge Consulting
Worldwide         Microprocessor       Architecture       Training
PowerPC, ColdFire, 68K, CPU32                Hardware and Software

/* Remove no-spam. from the reply address to send mail directly */